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champ-l-digest Thursday, March 4 1999 Volume 01 : Number 225
In this issue:
RE: X Men movie
Re: [OT] Casting Wolverine
Re: this would rock (fwd)
RE: X Men movie
RE: [OT] Re: Spidey Movie
Kara Fenn Thrasher (Current)
RE: [OT] Re: Spidey Movie
Thrasher Kael (Current)
Re: [OT] Re: Spidey Movie
Fw: Villain's Exits
Re: [OT] Casting Wolverine
Don Cherry IS Magneto!!
RE: X Men movie
Re: Villain's Exits
Re: [OT] Re: Spidey Movie
RE: X-Men Movie
Re: Villain's Exits
Re: X-Men Movie
Re: Villain's Exits
RE: X-Men Movie
RE: X-Men Movie
Re: [OT] Casting Wolverine
RE: x-men - casting
Re: X-Men Movie
Re: X-Men Movie
Re: X-Men Movie
Re: X-Men Movie
RE: X-Men Movie
RE: X-Men Movie
RE: X Men movie
RE: X-men movie
Help please
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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 08:14:49 -0800
From: Christopher Taylor <ctaylor@viser.net>
Subject: RE: X Men movie
>> Wolverine is short. Really short. About 5'1". That makes him about a
>> foot shorter than Stallone. Armin Sherman (who plays Quark on DS9) is the
>> right height, but not muscular enough.
>>
>
>Ummm, Stalone ain't 6'1" tall. He's about 5'8. I doubt they would be
>able to find someone the proper size to play Wolverine.
What they could do is find someone gruff and well built and feral-seeming,
and computer edit them like is being done for the Hobbits in the upcoming
Lord of the Rings. Just make sure they aren't a known actor (seeing
stallone shrunk like that would be jarring and odd, for example, even
though I think he could do the job very well).
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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 02:06:50 +1000
From: "Lockie" <jonesl@cqnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [OT] Casting Wolverine
- -----Original Message-----
From: Bob Greenwade <bob.greenwade@klock.com>
To: Champions Mailing List <champ-l-digest@sysabend.org>
Date: Friday, March 05, 1999 12:49 AM
Subject: Re: [OT] Casting Wolverine
>At 01:34 AM 3/4/99 -0500, Scott C. Nolan wrote:
>>At 12:40 AM 3/4/99 -0500, David Stallard wrote:
>>>I saw this suggested somewhere (possibly in Wizard magazine) and I think
>>>it'd be an excellent choice for Wolverine: That guy from Forrest Gump
who
>>>played the soldier who got his legs blown off. I'm guessing here, but
his
>>>name might be Gary Bussy??
>>
>>That was Gary Sinise.
>
> It just occurred to me that this might be a good breakout role for
>Martin Short (the way "The Truman Show" was a breakout for Jim Carrey).
>---
gee, how about bozo the clown? *L*
martin short. .. *yeesh* let's remember the feral intensity at play in the
character here. or at least get a good
action guy. .
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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 08:11:35 -0800
From: Christopher Taylor <ctaylor@viser.net>
Subject: Re: this would rock (fwd)
At 11:35 PM 3/4/99 +1000, Lockie wrote:
>>Russel Crowe??? Umm stop me if Im wrong, but Wolverine is short and really
>>buff ... I don't visualize ANY person that I know of in Hollywood in the
>>part.
>
>well, he did well as a skinhead, and hell, virtuosity got him closer to
>being superhuman than most actors play.
>
>> The others seem pretty good... although you know they are going to
>>put some cheezy new character like Marrow or Jubilee (gag, gag) in the
>movie.
>
>jubilee's been in the x-men longer than cannonball. she also nursed wolvie
>back to health in the australian outback.
Actually duration wasn't my concern, rather her rather boring personality
and powers and background. Kitty Pryde is a much better, more interesting,
and deeper character. She filled the role of the youngster and the
constrast for Wolverine's brutal nature better by far that Jubilee.
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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 08:58:09 -0800
From: Christopher Taylor <ctaylor@viser.net>
Subject: RE: X Men movie
At 10:47 AM 3/4/99 -0500, you wrote:
>At 09:43 AM 3/4/99 -0500, chris@ergmusic.com wrote:
>>
>>Ummm, Stalone ain't 6'1" tall. He's about 5'8. I doubt they would be
>>able to find someone the proper size to play Wolverine.
>>
>
>They probably could; there are plenty of muscular short people in the
>world, and I'm sure some of them are actors. But they aren't likely to cast
>an unknown for a major role in an action blockbuster.
well its been done before, Star Wars comes to mind, Alec Guiness was major,
there were a few other moderately well known actors, but most of the
players were little known at the time.
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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 12:32:47 -0500
From: Brian Wawrow <bwawrow@fmco.com>
Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Spidey Movie
] > Yuen Baio?
] > How about Scott Baio?
]
] With Tom Bosley as Dr. Octopus & Ron Howard as Norman Osborn!
Spidey Days! Featuring Leather Tuscaderro as Mary Jane Watson Parker and
Mrs. C as Aunt May!! Potsy and Ralph Mouth as Carnage and Venom!!! Henry
Winkler as Kraven the Hunter!! An uncredited cameo by Lavern and Shirley as
themselves!! Shlameezle shlamozle, radioactive spider!!!
Could we follow up with a Hulk movie based around the cast of Gilligan's
Island? I'd pay $8 to see Bob Denver say, "Don't make me angry, Skipper. You
wouldn't like me when I'm angry."
Oh, what about the Avengers based on Barney Miller? Is Abe Vigoda still
alive? He could play Vision.
We could do that X-Men movie with the Brady Bunch. Rogue would cross her
arms and go 'Phoenix! Phoenix! Phoenix! I'm sick of hearing about Phoenix!'
We'd still have nobody to play Wolverine.
Fanstastic Four... Leave it to Beaver! "Reed, don't you think you were a
little tough on the Human Torch today?"
Alpha Flight, based on the cast of The Beachcombers!! Bruno Gerrussi as
Vindicator! Cameo by Al Waxman as a Department H beurocrat!! Sorry, this is
a reference to an old Canadian show.
I've just had a brainstorm for Wolverine. Tie Domi from the Leafs. He's
about 5'6" and beats the crap out of people for a living. He's a hard little
monkey with eyes like Charles Manson and he skates pretty good for a
sociopath. Granted, he's not as tall and good looking as Billy Zane, but we
are talking about Wolverine here. If Domi was in the movie, maybe we could
get Don Cherry to play Magneto!!
Please forgive me, but this is a fun way to chew through the work day.
BRI
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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 10:00:46 -0800
From: Tracy L Birdine <hawk291@juno.com>
Subject: Kara Fenn Thrasher (Current)
KARA FENN THRASHER
Ranger/Traveller
16 STR 6
21 DEX 33
16 CON 12
15 BODY 10
18 INT 8
17 EGO 14
16 PRE 6
16 COM 3
5 PD 2
3 ED 0
3 SPD 0
6 REC 0
38 END 3
33 STUN 2
Characteristics Cost: 99
10 PKG,"Ranger"
(3) Trading 12-
(3) Tracking 13-
(3) Survival 11-
(3) PS: Outdoorsman 13-,(INT based)
(3) Lightsleep
(2) KS: Plants & Herbs 11-
(3) KS: Wild Animals 13-,(INT based)
(3) Bump Of Direction
3 Ambidexterity
5 14- Fast Draw
3 13- Combat Sense
4 13- Contact: Seligad, Healer/Inventor/Mage
3 Tactics 13-
3 TF,Horses / Donkeys
5 Streetwise 13-
3 Stealth 13-
9 3 Rng Levels,all ranged attacks
3 Paramedic 13-
3 High Society 12-
5 Bureaucratics 13-
3 Climbing 13-
3 Breakfall 13-
5 Animal Handler 12-
3 Acrobatics 13-
4 WF,Common Melee,Common Missile
3 Riding 13-
5 Shadowing 12-
3 Traveler
2 AK: Southern Glynis 13-,(INT based)
2 Lang: Elvan: Khandara dialect,fluent conversation
1 Lang: Dwarven
Powers Cost: 93
Total Cost: 192
Base Points: 100
10 Psych Lim,"Last of her people",uncommon,strong
15 Hunted,"Concealers",more powerful,harsh,appear 8-
10 Psych Lim,"Sense of Duty: Kael",uncommon,strong
10 Psych Lim,"Very Tenacious",uncommon,strong
10 Rep,"Affiliation: Kael's Crew",occur 11-
Disadvantages Total: 55
Experience Spent: 37
Total Points: 192
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...............
|- /\ \\/ |< [ ICQ: 32038562 ]
CO/Alpha Company, Black Horse Regiment
"Your brain doesn't perform any other function
than to keep your head from caving in." --Peg Bundy
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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 13:18:21 -0500
From: Bill Svitavsky <nbymail11@mln.lib.ma.us>
Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Spidey Movie
At 12:32 PM 3/4/99 -0500, Brian Wawrow wrote:
>
>We could do that X-Men movie with the Brady Bunch. Rogue would cross her
>arms and go 'Phoenix! Phoenix! Phoenix! I'm sick of hearing about Phoenix!'
>We'd still have nobody to play Wolverine.
Cousin Oliver!
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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:58:07 -0800
From: Tracy L Birdine <hawk291@juno.com>
Subject: Thrasher Kael (Current)
THRASHER KAEL
Adventurer/Swordsmith
19 STR 9
20 DEX 30
18 CON 16
16 BODY 12
16 INT 6
17 EGO 14
18 PRE 8
14 COM 2
5 PD 1
4 ED 0
5 SPD 20
8 REC 0
36 END 0
35 STUN 0
Characteristics Cost: 118
15 PKG,"Soldier"
(5) Tactics 13-
(7) Survival 13-
(5) 10/10 End Reserve,"Soldier's Pace Marching",recovery rate:
per day
(3) KS: Military Protocol 12-,(INT based)
(3) Basic Strike
(5) Def Block
(4) Martial Dodge
(3) Lightsleep
(3) Bump Of Direction
(5) WF,Common Melee,Common Missile
3 12- Combat Sense
3 13- Fast Draw
3 Stealth 13-
8 Damage Class +2DC,"Troll Swords (Katana)"
9 Weaponsmith 14-,class of weapon: Troll Sword forging
6 2 Levels: King's Cavalry/fighting from horseback,tight group
8 WF,Flails,Lances
3 PS: Mercenary/Soldier 12-
3 Absolute Time Sense
3 Ambidexterity
3 Breakfall 13-
3 Acrobatics 13-
3 Climbing 13-
3 Bureaucratics 13-
3 High Society 13-
3 3 Favors: King Corbin Strathorn
10 Money,wealthy
3 Paramedic 12-
3 Streetwise 13-
3 Trading 13-
3 Tracking 12-
5 Animal Handler 12-
1 TF,Horses / Donkeys
3 Riding 13-
2 AK: Kingdom of Scirocco 11-
2 11- Contact: Seligad, Healer/Inventor/Mage
2 11- Contact: Hanson of Garrison, goods provider
15 PKG,"Thrasher Martial Arts"
(1) Weapon Groups,Swords/Blades
(4) Nerve Strike
(4) Martial Dodge
(3) Legsweep
(4) Reversal
(3) Martial Throw
(5) Def Block
(5) Def Strike
(3) Martial Grab
(4) Fast Strike
Powers Cost: 134
Total Cost: 252
Base Points: 150
5 Psych Lim,"Hates Magic/Sorcery",uncommon,moderate
10 Psych Lim,"Sense of Duty to Kara Fenn",uncommon,strong
10 Psych Lim,"Sense of duty to his crew",uncommon,strong
5 Psych Lim,"Show-off when fighting",uncommon,moderate
5 Psych Lim,"Overconfidence",uncommon,moderate
15 Hunted,"Concealers",more powerful,harsh,appear 8-
10 Psych Lim,"Very Tenacious",uncommon,strong
10 Rep,"Kael's Crew",occur 11-
Disadvantages Total: 70
Experience Spent: 32
Total Points: 252
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|- /\ \\/ |< [ ICQ: 32038562 ]
CO/Alpha Company, Black Horse Regiment
"Your brain doesn't perform any other function
than to keep your head from caving in." --Peg Bundy
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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 10:55:36 -0800
From: "Filksinger" <filkhero@usa.net>
Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Spidey Movie
From: Brian Wawrow <bwawrow@fmco.com>
<snip>
>Please forgive me, but this is a fun way to chew through the work day.
It should be obvious even to you that this is unforgivable.
Filksinger
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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 10:18:42 -0800
From: "Filksinger" <filkhero@usa.net>
Subject: Fw: Villain's Exits
From: Tim Gilberg <gilberg@ou.edu>
>
>> I was just reminded the other day of the best villain ending I can ever
>> remember, and was curious. If you can manage to reveal it without
creating a
>> big spoiler (which is why I won't tell you mine), what is the best end
for a
>> villain you can recall?
>
> Who Framed Roger Rabbit.
Very nice!
Filksinger
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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 10:22:10 -0800
From: Bob Greenwade <bob.greenwade@klock.com>
Subject: Re: [OT] Casting Wolverine
At 02:06 AM 3/5/99 +1000, Lockie wrote:
>> It just occurred to me that this might be a good breakout role for
>>Martin Short (the way "The Truman Show" was a breakout for Jim Carrey).
>>---
>
>gee, how about bozo the clown? *L*
>martin short. .. *yeesh* let's remember the feral intensity at play in the
>character here. or at least get a good
>action guy. .
Since you're in Australia, you probably never got to see Martin in the
NBC production of "Merlin."
If I'm right about that, you missed a lot.
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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:20:11 -0500
From: Brian Wawrow <bwawrow@fmco.com>
Subject: Don Cherry IS Magneto!!
Oh, come on! Don Cherry would rock! Maybe it would sound a little something
like this...
"Ayyy Chuck! What are ya, crazy with this peace fer muties and flatscans?
C'Mon! I tell ya, I was talkin' ta that Summers kid, Alex. He's pretty
ticked since ya traded him and I tell ya, he says ta me, 'Coach! I'm sick
an tired a takin' slack from the likes of these flatscans!' A good kid that
Summers! Ya should a kept him instead a bringin' in all a them Europeans an
that Ruskie. You keep pushin' the wild ones out to the farm teams an I'll
start picken' em up. I been talkin' ta them Alpha Flight guys an' I think a
few of em are gonna join up. Say, listen, what about trading me that Logan
for Avalanche and the Blob, eh? Okay, I'll throw in the Toad. C'Mon, ya
can't beat a deal like that!"
] Stop. Please stop. Although Cherry's too psychotic for
] Magneto. Hell, he's too
] psychotic for the Joker.
]
] Scott Bennie
]
]
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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 10:11:41 -0800
From: Bob Greenwade <bob.greenwade@klock.com>
Subject: RE: X Men movie
At 10:47 AM 3/4/99 -0500, Bill Svitavsky wrote:
>At 09:43 AM 3/4/99 -0500, chris@ergmusic.com wrote:
>>
>>Ummm, Stalone ain't 6'1" tall. He's about 5'8. I doubt they would be
>>able to find someone the proper size to play Wolverine.
>>
>
>They probably could; there are plenty of muscular short people in the
>world, and I'm sure some of them are actors. But they aren't likely to cast
>an unknown for a major role in an action blockbuster.
How about Joe Nipote (late of the syndicated "Viper" TV series)?
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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 10:17:32 -0800
From: "Filksinger" <filkhero@usa.net>
Subject: Re: Villain's Exits
From: Bob Greenwade <bob.greenwade@klock.com>
>At 03:49 PM 3/3/99 -0800, Filksinger wrote:
>>I was just reminded the other day of the best villain ending I can ever
>>remember, and was curious. If you can manage to reveal it without creating
a
>>big spoiler (which is why I won't tell you mine), what is the best end for
a
>>villain you can recall?
>
> What kind of ending are you referring to? Death, escape,
bye-for-now...?
Any would be interesting, but I was thinking actually of "Villain is gone,
and will not return". Reason and method is the interesting part.
My personal favorite is the end of "The Madman" in Frank Herbert's "The
White Plague", but for spoiler reasons I can't really let that one out. I'm
still trying to think of a good one from gaming.
Filksinger
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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 11:03:25 -0800
From: Scott Bennie <sbennie@dowco.com>
Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Spidey Movie
> Alpha Flight, based on the cast of The Beachcombers!! Bruno Gerrussi as
> Vindicator! Cameo by Al Waxman as a Department H beurocrat!! Sorry, this is a
> reference to an old Canadian show.
And the late Robert Clothier (Relic) as Northstar, and the actress who was Molly
as Heather. Well, maybe as Pink Pearl.
On a more serious note, how about Paul (Due South) Gross as Mac?
> I've just had a brainstorm for Wolverine. Tie Domi from the Leafs. He's about
> 5'6" and beats the crap out of people for a living. He's a hard little monkey
> with eyes like Charles Manson and he skates pretty good for a sociopath.
> Granted, he's not as tall and good looking as Billy Zane, but we are talking
> about Wolverine here. If Domi was in the movie, maybe we could get Don Cherry
> to play Magneto!!
Stop. Please stop. Although Cherry's too psychotic for Magneto. Hell, he's too
psychotic for the Joker.
Scott Bennie
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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 10:20:47 -0800
From: Bob Greenwade <bob.greenwade@klock.com>
Subject: RE: X-Men Movie
At 10:32 AM 3/4/99 -0500, Brian Wawrow wrote:
>Ummm... I was under the impression that Sly was something like 5'8".
>Obviously, he'd be no good as Wolvie. He sucked as Judge Dredd. He plays a
>dim witted meathead from New York fairly well but that's not much of a
>stretch, is it?
Go rent "Oscar."
>Collosus? Has any role in the history of moving pictures ever begged harder
>to be played by Arnold? I know it's an obvious pick, but really, who else
>would you choose?
Arnie's the right physical type, but much too old for Piotr.
If Michael Dorn wasn't black, I'd suggest him.
Tiny Ron's a very talented, and very underrated, not to mention very
large actor. (He played the giant in the Rocketeer, and is the Grand
Nagus' manservant on "Star Trek: DS9"; I've also seen him in a few minor
roles that give a better idea of his ability.)
Another option might be Rod Piper (aka "Rowdy Roddy" Piper).
>What about Dr. Hank McCoy? He's my favourite X-Man and I think you'd want to
>cast him based on who can pull off the erudition, rather than who's buff.
>I'm thinking John Malcovitch. He's a big big guy and carves dialogue with
>the best. Who knows how he'd look in a furry blue suit.
I know the perfect guy for McCoy. His name escapes me at the moment...
he played Vincent on the "Beauty and the Beast" TV show. He had both the
muscles and the brains to pull of that role, and he could do Hank McCoy as
well.
>Cyclops would be simple. Pick a Baldwin, any Baldwin.
I know this is going to sound dumb, but I think David Schwimmer might
work for Cyke if he could buff up a bit.
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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 13:45:05 -0600 (CST)
From: "Dr. Nuncheon" <jeffj@io.com>
Subject: Re: Villain's Exits
On Fri, 5 Mar 1999, Lockie wrote:
> There was a live-action movie based on the guyver series. can't speak for
> the first one,
> but the second live action movie had some pretty good super-powered martial
> arts in it- compared to the usual fare. The baddie at the end was a mutant
> shapeshifter who ALSO wore a suit of bioarmor like the hero,
> making him twice as tough aparently. here's how he died- first he had almost
> won,. but some girl
> shot him in the orb thing in his forehead, which looked to be a weakpoint
> since it was cracked
> (it was a faulty when they found it) then, the guyver-guy jumps up and gives
> him a few in the ribs,
> then punches him in the orb-thing, too. THEN he ripps it out of the guys
> forehead, and the villain guy begins screaming and melting in a pretty icky
> looking way.
All of this makes more sense if you know that the orb thing is like the
control center for the Guyver suit. I think it was in the first movie,
but the hero-Guyver was rather severely killed, and the suit regenerated
his entire body from just the orb.
> THEN the guyver guy starts powering up, taking his sweet time
> as his foe writhes in nasty squelchy agony. THEN he finally lets loose with
> what looked like a
> classic manga powerblast, the result being an agonised scream and a long
> scorch on the ground where the baddie uses to be and a circular hole in a
> nearby scafolding.
Yeah. The ol' Guyver 'show us your breasts!' beam. (At least in the
manga & anime, the beam was generated from inside the chest of the suit,
so to fire it, the Guyver unit had to basically pull the chest armor wide
open before letting loose with the beam.)
J
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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:30:47 -0500
From: "Berengiere" <beren@voyager.net>
Subject: Re: X-Men Movie
<< I know the perfect guy for McCoy. His name escapes me at the moment...
he played Vincent on the "Beauty and the Beast" TV show. He had both the
muscles and the brains to pull of that role, and he could do Hank McCoy as
well.>>
Ron Perlman.
Lisa Hartjes
Lead Developer, The Crimson Covenant
beren@unforgettable.com
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ICQ: Berengiere (9062561)
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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:44:11 -0800
From: "Filksinger" <filkhero@usa.net>
Subject: Re: Villain's Exits
Well, my favorite is the end of "The Madman" in Frank Herbert's "The White
Plague", but as I won't post a spoiler, I'll try my favorite from one of my
games instead.
Some years ago, I had a villain who haunted my group for some time. A
powerful master vampire they were hunting flew down to the street and fled
down an alley. A blinding flash of light, a horrible scream suddenly cut
off, and when they reached the alley a charred corpse without a head, and
written on the wall in blood was "Only one shall rule the night".
Two _years_ later (in real time, no less), the players were temporarily
captured by their most feared enemy. They overheard an argument between him
and a quiet voice. When the villain argued to forcefully, the voice replied,
"Are you challenging me, Drakon?" "N-n-no, master." "Good. You would do well
to consider carefully before you challenge he who rules the night." By the
time they escaped, the voice was gone.
Months later, after a massive battle they nearly lost involving Primus,
Demon, and a cadre of Morbanes led by a member of the Inner Circle, the
heroes are just getting their strength back when the sun goes down. All of
the Morbanes stand up, and the leader says, "Only one shall rule the night!"
Fight starts all over again. In the end, they drive the sorcerer's
indestructible "Soulstaff" through the vampire's heart.
Some weeks later, the sorcerer (who was greatly weakened well before the
battle, long term and possibly permanently) has gotten most of his power
back. Suddenly, he appears to be possessed, and the heroes and chase him
across dimensions. They find him preparing to free the vampire from the
staff, said vampire having gotten a hold on him by returning his powers and
by inhabiting a staff so connected to him it was called a "Soulstaff". The
heroes manage to take the staff from the sorcerer, and the sorcerer's
daughter binds the vampire's soul to the staff for a climactic end to the
battle. Since the staff cannot be destroyed save by killing the sorcerer,
they trade staffs, and she uses _his_, because the vampire has no foothold
on her soul.
Now, he's a powerful sentient magical item, unable to act on his own, in the
hands of someone who doesn't dare use him. You see, anyone with enough
mystic power can draw upon the staff for vampiric powers....
If they don't mind what it does to them....
Filksinger
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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:47:23 -0500
From: "Johnson, Adam" <AJohnson@clariion.com>
Subject: RE: X-Men Movie
McCoy: He's talking about Ron Perlman, who is currently on The Magnificent
Seven on CBS.
Cyclops: How about Michael Biehn? (Terminator, Navy SEALs, The Rock,
Magnificent Seven) Or Stephen Dorff? (Blade) (or maybe Dorff's better as
Gambit...)
Back in the late 80's when I first started reading about this sort of
thread, everyone was thinking either Arnie (who's a bit short, really, he's
not even 6 ft tall) or Dolph Lundgren for Colossus... Geena Davis or Julia
Roberts for Rogue... Now, who knows?
Just so you know, I haven't read an X-title in at least 5 years, so I'm not
exactly sure who's in the lineup...
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Greenwade [SMTP:bob.greenwade@klock.com]
> Sent: Thursday, 04 March, 1999 13:21
> To: Champeens
> Subject: RE: X-Men Movie
>
> At 10:32 AM 3/4/99 -0500, Brian Wawrow wrote:
> >Ummm... I was under the impression that Sly was something like 5'8".
> >Obviously, he'd be no good as Wolvie. He sucked as Judge Dredd. He plays
> a
> >dim witted meathead from New York fairly well but that's not much of a
> >stretch, is it?
>
> Go rent "Oscar."
>
> >Collosus? Has any role in the history of moving pictures ever begged
> harder
> >to be played by Arnold? I know it's an obvious pick, but really, who else
> >would you choose?
>
> Arnie's the right physical type, but much too old for Piotr.
> If Michael Dorn wasn't black, I'd suggest him.
> Tiny Ron's a very talented, and very underrated, not to mention very
> large actor. (He played the giant in the Rocketeer, and is the Grand
> Nagus' manservant on "Star Trek: DS9"; I've also seen him in a few minor
> roles that give a better idea of his ability.)
> Another option might be Rod Piper (aka "Rowdy Roddy" Piper).
>
> >What about Dr. Hank McCoy? He's my favourite X-Man and I think you'd want
> to
> >cast him based on who can pull off the erudition, rather than who's buff.
> >I'm thinking John Malcovitch. He's a big big guy and carves dialogue with
> >the best. Who knows how he'd look in a furry blue suit.
>
> I know the perfect guy for McCoy. His name escapes me at the moment...
> he played Vincent on the "Beauty and the Beast" TV show. He had both the
> muscles and the brains to pull of that role, and he could do Hank McCoy as
> well.
>
> >Cyclops would be simple. Pick a Baldwin, any Baldwin.
>
> I know this is going to sound dumb, but I think David Schwimmer might
> work for Cyke if he could buff up a bit.
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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 16:28:21 -0500
From: Brian Wawrow <bwawrow@fmco.com>
Subject: RE: X-Men Movie
] At 10:32 AM 3/4/99 -0500, Brian Wawrow wrote:
] >Ummm... I was under the impression that Sly was something like 5'8".
] >Obviously, he'd be no good as Wolvie. He sucked as Judge
] Dredd. He plays a
] >dim witted meathead from New York fairly well but that's not
] much of a
] >stretch, is it?
]
] Go rent "Oscar."
Okay, I relent. I haven't seen everything that Sly has been in but is anyone
else on this list a fan of the English comic 2000AD? Does the name Judge
Dredd mean anything to anyone? Judge Dredd required a younger Clint
Eastwood. Tommy Lee Jones would have been a decent Judge Dredd if he was a
little taller. To me, Sly's portrail of the MegaCity's #1 lawman is all the
evidence I need to cross him right off the Wolverine list.
] Arnie's the right physical type, but much too old for Piotr.
] If Michael Dorn wasn't black, I'd suggest him.
] Tiny Ron's a very talented, and very underrated, not to
] mention very
] large actor. (He played the giant in the Rocketeer, and is the Grand
] Nagus' manservant on "Star Trek: DS9"; I've also seen him in
] a few minor
] roles that give a better idea of his ability.)
] Another option might be Rod Piper (aka "Rowdy Roddy" Piper).
Is Tiny Ron the guy that looks like Lurch from the Addam's Family? Did he
play Lurch in the Addams Family movies? I don't watch DS9 but I think I have
an idea of who you're talking about. Piper is an interesting choice. I don't
know if he's right for Collossus but I'd certainly find a spot for him.
Hell, I'd let him play Wolverine and not feel bad about it. It's a dangerous
thing to cast wrestlers in movies. Piper's the only one I've ever seen pull
it off. Maybe Goldberg would play Collosus. Oh! Chris Benoit! Chris Benoit
IS Wolverine in real life!!
] I know the perfect guy for McCoy. His name escapes me at
] the moment...
] he played Vincent on the "Beauty and the Beast" TV show. He
] had both the
] muscles and the brains to pull of that role, and he could do
] Hank McCoy as
] well.
Ron Pearlman. Yep, I'd buy Ron Pearlman as McCoy. Didn't he have another
role where he was all done up in makeup the whole time?
] >Cyclops would be simple. Pick a Baldwin, any Baldwin.
]
] I know this is going to sound dumb, but I think David
] Schwimmer might
] work for Cyke if he could buff up a bit.
mmmmmm... Schwimmer? David 'Candypants' Schwimmer? I'd buy David Duchoveny
long before Ross, the weepy.
Man, this is fun fun fun!!!
Later
BRI
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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 13:57:57 -0800
From: "James Jandebeur" <james@javaman.to>
Subject: Re: [OT] Casting Wolverine
> Since you're in Australia, you probably never got to see Martin in the
>NBC production of "Merlin."
> If I'm right about that, you missed a lot.
Still, though, as Wolverine? Doesn't seem right somehow.
How about this: Wolverine is Canadian, make sure to get a Canadian actor.
So...
Bill Shatner!
"I'm...the...bestthereisatwhatIdo but...what I do...isn'tvery nice."
JAJ, GP
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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 16:55:38 EST
From: MWStrong@aol.com
Subject: RE: x-men - casting
Hello? Are we forgetting the power of movie magic?
In the form of "Colossus" all Arnold needs is the FX computers to texturize
the skin. When he is in his "secret ID" you get someone of the proper acting
and age requirements, and have the computer "morph" between the two.
To throw a wrench into the works: for Wolverine - he has the height, build,
and moves (but not the voice yet...) - JACKIE CHAN! :>)
Cyclops: I don't know any names, but search the pool of basketball players
for one who can act, and you are set.
Rogue? Uma Thurmond. I would say Julia Roberts, but I don't think she has
the spunk
Storm: Grace Jones or Tina Turner.
Prof X: Bruce Willis
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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:27:20 -0800
From: "Filksinger" <filkhero@usa.net>
Subject: Re: X-Men Movie
From: Johnson, Adam <AJohnson@clariion.com>
<snip>
>Back in the late 80's when I first started reading about this sort of
>thread, everyone was thinking either Arnie (who's a bit short, really, he's
>not even 6 ft tall)
Who's Arnie? The only "Arnie" I can think of is 6'4".:)
Filksinger
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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:39:04 -0500
From: David_A._Fair@fc.mcps.k12.md.us (David A. Fair)
Subject: Re: X-Men Movie
><< I know the perfect guy for McCoy. His name escapes me at the
>moment...
>he played Vincent on the "Beauty and the Beast" TV show. He had both
>the
>muscles and the brains to pull of that role, and he could do Hank McCoy
>as
>well.>>
>Ron Perlman.
Perlman could do the Beast, and do really well. Plus, he is used to
acting while wearing a body rug.
I am surprised that no one has mentioned my first choice for Magneto,
though. Magneto needs PRESENCE, personality and style. I can think of
only one white-haired actor who can convey that much charisma - Sean
Connery.
Thanks,
Dave
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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:20:36 -0800
From: "Filksinger" <filkhero@usa.net>
Subject: Re: X-Men Movie
From: Brian Wawrow <bwawrow@fmco.com>
>] At 10:32 AM 3/4/99 -0500, Brian Wawrow wrote:
<snip>
>
>Okay, I relent. I haven't seen everything that Sly has been in but is
anyone
>else on this list a fan of the English comic 2000AD? Does the name Judge
>Dredd mean anything to anyone? Judge Dredd required a younger Clint
>Eastwood. Tommy Lee Jones would have been a decent Judge Dredd if he was a
>little taller. To me, Sly's portrail of the MegaCity's #1 lawman is all the
>evidence I need to cross him right off the Wolverine list.
Maybe. I'd want to see a screentest first. He can be good, but is highly
erratic.
<snip>
>Is Tiny Ron the guy that looks like Lurch from the Addam's Family? Did he
>play Lurch in the Addams Family movies? I don't watch DS9 but I think I
have
>an idea of who you're talking about.
Nope. Wrong guy.
<snip>
>
>Ron Pearlman. Yep, I'd buy Ron Pearlman as McCoy. Didn't he have another
>role where he was all done up in makeup the whole time?
Vincent in "Beauty and the Beast".
<snip>
>mmmmmm... Schwimmer? David 'Candypants' Schwimmer? I'd buy David Duchoveny
>long before Ross, the weepy.
Duchoveny wouldn't be bad. I could just see him and Wolverine arguing in
their "tough guy who doesn't like authority vs. soldier boy with poker up
his <snip>" continuing argument.
Filksinger
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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 17:05:43 -0600
From: Trevor Gunther <gunthert@sk.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: X-Men Movie
Brian Wawrow wrote:
> Oh! Chris Benoit! Chris Benoit
> IS Wolverine in real life!!
>
I'd have to agree with you, Benoit is the right build, has the gravelly voice
and Canadian accentand he looks like he's been beaten on his whole life....it
would work.
As for the height problem, it's all relative, if you can get reasonably tall
people to play the rest of the team Benoit would work as Wolverine.....
Trevor
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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 16:00:19 -0600 (CST)
From: gilberg@ou.edu
Subject: RE: X-Men Movie
>>Ummm... I was under the impression that Sly was something like 5'8".
>>Obviously, he'd be no good as Wolvie. He sucked as Judge Dredd. He plays a
>>dim witted meathead from New York fairly well but that's not much of a
>>stretch, is it?
>
> Go rent "Oscar."
Haven't seen it. Good? I think Stallone would be good for acting
purposes, but others may be better and/or cheaper.
Hmmmm. What about Tom Cruise? He's pretty damn short. Though he
doesn't fit any other aspect of the role, including acting ability.
> Arnie's the right physical type, but much too old for Piotr.
> If Michael Dorn wasn't black, I'd suggest him.
> Tiny Ron's a very talented, and very underrated, not to mention very
>large actor. (He played the giant in the Rocketeer, and is the Grand
>Nagus' manservant on "Star Trek: DS9"; I've also seen him in a few minor
>roles that give a better idea of his ability.)
> Another option might be Rod Piper (aka "Rowdy Roddy" Piper).
No idea on this one, but I doubt he'd be in the movie.
> I know the perfect guy for McCoy. His name escapes me at the moment...
>he played Vincent on the "Beauty and the Beast" TV show. He had both the
>muscles and the brains to pull of that role, and he could do Hank McCoy as
>well.
I doubt we'd see McCoy, either. Though Jason Scott Lee would be my
choice.
>>Cyclops would be simple. Pick a Baldwin, any Baldwin.
>
> I know this is going to sound dumb, but I think David Schwimmer might
>work for Cyke if he could buff up a bit.
Ug. No, Scott Bakula would be perfect for Cyke.
-Tim Gilberg
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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:01:36 -0800 (PST)
From: shaw@caprica.com (Wayne Shaw)
Subject: RE: X-Men Movie
>Collosus? Has any role in the history of moving pictures ever begged harder
>to be played by Arnold? I know it's an obvious pick, but really, who else
>would you choose?
Unless they're going to significantly alter the character, he's way too old
for the part these days. He's also rather too rough featured, but that's
nit picking.
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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:03:58 -0800 (PST)
From: shaw@caprica.com (Wayne Shaw)
Subject: RE: X Men movie
>At 10:47 AM 3/4/99 -0500, you wrote:
>>At 09:43 AM 3/4/99 -0500, chris@ergmusic.com wrote:
>>>
>>>Ummm, Stalone ain't 6'1" tall. He's about 5'8. I doubt they would be
>>>able to find someone the proper size to play Wolverine.
>>>
>>
>>They probably could; there are plenty of muscular short people in the
>>world, and I'm sure some of them are actors. But they aren't likely to cast
>>an unknown for a major role in an action blockbuster.
>
>well its been done before, Star Wars comes to mind, Alec Guiness was major,
>there were a few other moderately well known actors, but most of the
>players were little known at the time.
Also, remember that even if the film has a reasonable budget, they only have
so much budget to suck up on major players. Angela Basset isn't going to go
cheap, nor I image will Patrick Stewart.
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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 18:44:43 EST
From: MWStrong@aol.com
Subject: RE: X-men movie
Or even Patrick Stewart as prof X
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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 18:09:27 -0500
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