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champ-l-digest Friday, March 5 1999 Volume 01 : Number 226
In this issue:
RE: X-Men Movie
RE: X-Men Movie
Re: X-Men Movie
RE: X-Men Movie
Re: X-Men Movie
Re: X-Men Movie
Re: X-Men Movie
Re: [OT] Casting Wolverine
Re: [OT] Casting Wolverine
Re: [OT] Casting Wolverine
Re: X-Men Movie
Re: X-Men Movie
Re: X-Men Movie
Re: X-Men Movie
Re: Help please
Cyn Darkhand
Re: [OT] Re: Spidey Movie
New PBEM game starting
Re: X-Men Movie
Re: New PBEM game starting
Re: New PBEM game starting
Re: X-Men Movie
find weakness
Re: X-Men Movie
RE: X-Men Movie
RE: X-Men Movie
Re: X-Men Movie
RE: X-Men Movie
RE: X-Men Movie
Re: New PBEM game starting
Re: find weakness
RE: X-Men Movie
RE: X-Men Movie
Re: this would rock (fwd)
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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 19:02:03 -0500
From: "Scott C. Nolan" <nolan@erols.com>
Subject: RE: X-Men Movie
At 03:01 PM 3/4/99 -0800, Wayne Shaw wrote:
>>Collosus? Has any role in the history of moving pictures ever begged harder
>>to be played by Arnold? I know it's an obvious pick, but really, who else
>>would you choose?
>
>Unless they're going to significantly alter the character, he's way too old
>for the part these days. He's also rather too rough featured, but that's
>nit picking.
Or unless you wanted acting with that. Jeeze, guys! Stallone, Schwarzeneggar
- -
if you're going to dream, dream about people who can act.
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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 15:44:32 -0800
From: Bob Greenwade <bob.greenwade@klock.com>
Subject: RE: X-Men Movie
At 04:00 PM 3/4/99 -0600, gilberg@ou.edu wrote:
>
>>>Ummm... I was under the impression that Sly was something like 5'8".
>>>Obviously, he'd be no good as Wolvie. He sucked as Judge Dredd. He plays a
>>>dim witted meathead from New York fairly well but that's not much of a
>>>stretch, is it?
>>
>> Go rent "Oscar."
>
> Haven't seen it. Good? I think Stallone would be good for acting
>purposes, but others may be better and/or cheaper.
It's quite a good movie. Many critics were saying that it would mark
his move from action to comedy. Then he did "Stop! Or My Mom Will Shoot"
and that was it for Sly's comedy career.
>>>Cyclops would be simple. Pick a Baldwin, any Baldwin.
>>
>> I know this is going to sound dumb, but I think David Schwimmer might
>>work for Cyke if he could buff up a bit.
>
> Ug. No, Scott Bakula would be perfect for Cyke.
I thought of him, but he's too old. Scott's in his mid-forties; Cyke
needs to be somewhere in his thirties. I ruled out Rick Springfield for
the same reason.
- ---
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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 18:41:49 -0500
From: "Marc" <games@nassau.cv.net>
Subject: Re: X-Men Movie
- -----Original Message-----
From: gilberg@ou.edu <gilberg@ou.edu>
To: champs-l@sysabend.org <champs-l@sysabend.org>
Date: Thursday, March 04, 1999 6:29 PM
Subject: RE: X-Men Movie
>
>>>Ummm... I was under the impression that Sly was something like 5'8".
>>>Obviously, he'd be no good as Wolvie. He sucked as Judge Dredd. He plays
a
>>>dim witted meathead from New York fairly well but that's not much of a
>>>stretch, is it?
>>
>> Go rent "Oscar."
>
> Haven't seen it. Good? I think Stallone would be good for acting
>purposes, but others may be better and/or cheaper.
>
> Hmmmm. What about Tom Cruise? He's pretty damn short. Though he
>doesn't fit any other aspect of the role, including acting ability.
>
>> Arnie's the right physical type, but much too old for Piotr.
>> If Michael Dorn wasn't black, I'd suggest him.
>> Tiny Ron's a very talented, and very underrated, not to mention very
>>large actor. (He played the giant in the Rocketeer, and is the Grand
>>Nagus' manservant on "Star Trek: DS9"; I've also seen him in a few minor
>>roles that give a better idea of his ability.)
>> Another option might be Rod Piper (aka "Rowdy Roddy" Piper).
>
> No idea on this one, but I doubt he'd be in the movie.
>
>
>> I know the perfect guy for McCoy. His name escapes me at the moment...
>>he played Vincent on the "Beauty and the Beast" TV show. He had both the
>>muscles and the brains to pull of that role, and he could do Hank McCoy as
>>well.
>
> I doubt we'd see McCoy, either. Though Jason Scott Lee would be my
>choice.
>
>>>Cyclops would be simple. Pick a Baldwin, any Baldwin.
>>
>> I know this is going to sound dumb, but I think David Schwimmer might
>>work for Cyke if he could buff up a bit.
>
> Ug. No, Scott Bakula would be perfect for Cyke.
>
For logan.
Michael J. Fox in a bodysuit and with voice over
Sorry
Rouge = Pamala Anderson
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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 15:39:49 -0800
From: Bob Greenwade <bob.greenwade@klock.com>
Subject: RE: X-Men Movie
At 04:28 PM 3/4/99 -0500, Brian Wawrow wrote:
>
>] Arnie's the right physical type, but much too old for Piotr.
>] If Michael Dorn wasn't black, I'd suggest him.
>] Tiny Ron's a very talented, and very underrated, not to
>] mention very
>] large actor. (He played the giant in the Rocketeer, and is the Grand
>] Nagus' manservant on "Star Trek: DS9"; I've also seen him in
>] a few minor
>] roles that give a better idea of his ability.)
>] Another option might be Rod Piper (aka "Rowdy Roddy" Piper).
>
>Is Tiny Ron the guy that looks like Lurch from the Addam's Family? Did he
>play Lurch in the Addams Family movies? I don't watch DS9 but I think I have
>an idea of who you're talking about. Piper is an interesting choice. I don't
>know if he's right for Collossus but I'd certainly find a spot for him.
>Hell, I'd let him play Wolverine and not feel bad about it. It's a dangerous
>thing to cast wrestlers in movies. Piper's the only one I've ever seen pull
>it off. Maybe Goldberg would play Collosus. Oh! Chris Benoit! Chris Benoit
>IS Wolverine in real life!!
In the Addams Family movies, Lurch was played by Carel Struycken,
another really tall and talented actor who also has a recurring
non-speaking role in the Star Trek universe, that of Lwaxana Troi's
manservant. Tiny Ron actually looks more like Elliott Gould when he isn't
in some grotesque makeup.
And if you wanna know who's Wolverine in real life, my vote's on Joe Pesci.
>] I know the perfect guy for McCoy. His name escapes me at
>] the moment...
>] he played Vincent on the "Beauty and the Beast" TV show. He
>] had both the
>] muscles and the brains to pull of that role, and he could do
>] Hank McCoy as
>] well.
>
>Ron Pearlman. Yep, I'd buy Ron Pearlman as McCoy. Didn't he have another
>role where he was all done up in makeup the whole time?
Vincent's the only one I know of.
>] >Cyclops would be simple. Pick a Baldwin, any Baldwin.
>]
>] I know this is going to sound dumb, but I think David
>] Schwimmer might
>] work for Cyke if he could buff up a bit.
>mmmmmm... Schwimmer? David 'Candypants' Schwimmer? I'd buy David Duchoveny
>long before Ross, the weepy.
You folks are buying it like you're buying Martin Short as Wolvie -- not
without cause, in either case, but not altogether fair either.
I think you'd have to be a Xena fan, or at least have seen the episode
titled "For Him the Bell Tolls," to see Ted Raimi as a potential Cyclops.
>Man, this is fun fun fun!!!
What I think would be fun would be casting a Champions movie! :-]
- ---
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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 19:00:53 -0600
From: "Michael (Damon) & Peni Griffin" <griffin@txdirect.net>
Subject: Re: X-Men Movie
At 03:39 PM 3/4/1999 -0500, David A. Fair wrote:
>I am surprised that no one has mentioned my first choice for Magneto,
>though. Magneto needs PRESENCE, personality and style. I can think of
>only one white-haired actor who can convey that much charisma - Sean
>Connery.
Rutger Hauer.
Damon
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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:02:03 -0800
From: "Filksinger" <filkhero@usa.net>
Subject: Re: X-Men Movie
From: Filksinger <filkhero@usa.net>
<snip>
>Who's Arnie? The only "Arnie" I can think of is 6'4".:)
I have double checked Arnold Schwarzenegger's stats. He is listed as 6' 1
1/2", and has won first place in the Tall division in at least one contest
he didn't come in first.
Filksinger
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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 19:13:01 -0600
From: "Michael (Damon) & Peni Griffin" <griffin@txdirect.net>
Subject: Re: X-Men Movie
At 06:41 PM 3/4/1999 -0500, Marc wrote:
>
>Rouge = Pamala Anderson
Rogue is an X-Man; rouge is a cosmetic.
So, I guess you're right about Anderson. :)
Damon
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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 22:49:23 -0800
From: Nic Neidenbach <naneiden@iswest.com>
Subject: Re: [OT] Casting Wolverine
While we're having fun, why not Roddy Piper as Wolverine? :)
- -Nic
At 01:34 AM 3/4/99 -0500, you wrote:
>At 12:40 AM 3/4/99 -0500, David Stallard wrote:
>>I saw this suggested somewhere (possibly in Wizard magazine) and I think
>>it'd be an excellent choice for Wolverine: That guy from Forrest Gump who
>>played the soldier who got his legs blown off. I'm guessing here, but his
>>name might be Gary Bussy??
>
>That was Gary Sinise.
>
>
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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 06:49:42 GMT
From: mhoram@relia.net (Curtis A Gibson)
Subject: Re: [OT] Casting Wolverine
On Thu, 4 Mar 1999 13:57:57 -0800, you wrote:
>> Since you're in Australia, you probably never got to see Martin in the
>>NBC production of "Merlin."
>> If I'm right about that, you missed a lot.
>
>
>Still, though, as Wolverine? Doesn't seem right somehow.
>
>How about this: Wolverine is Canadian, make sure to get a Canadian actor.
>So...
>
>Bill Shatner!
>
>"I'm...the...bestthereisatwhatIdo but...what I do...isn'tvery nice."
>
Actually the best actor for wolverine is way past his prime. Charles
Bronson. Short, got the growly voice, and as I recall Canadian.
- -Mhoram
>
"Sometimes you have to thwap Evil on the nose with
the rolled-up newspaper of Justice! Bad dog! Bad! Bad!" --The Tick
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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 23:27:25 -0500
From: geoff heald <gheald@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: [OT] Casting Wolverine
At 02:06 AM 3/5/99 +1000, you wrote:
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Bob Greenwade <bob.greenwade@klock.com>
>To: Champions Mailing List <champ-l-digest@sysabend.org>
>Date: Friday, March 05, 1999 12:49 AM
>Subject: Re: [OT] Casting Wolverine
>
>
>>At 01:34 AM 3/4/99 -0500, Scott C. Nolan wrote:
>>>At 12:40 AM 3/4/99 -0500, David Stallard wrote:
>>>>I saw this suggested somewhere (possibly in Wizard magazine) and I think
>>>>it'd be an excellent choice for Wolverine: That guy from Forrest Gump
>who
>>>>played the soldier who got his legs blown off. I'm guessing here, but
>his
>>>>name might be Gary Bussy??
>>>
>>>That was Gary Sinise.
>>
>> It just occurred to me that this might be a good breakout role for
>>Martin Short (the way "The Truman Show" was a breakout for Jim Carrey).
>>---
>
Jason Alexander. He's short, he's burly, he can do drama, I'll bet he can
do gruff.
============================
Geoff Heald
============================
And it's a little-known fact that the Y1K problem caused the Dark Ages.
Roving bands of well-paid craftsmen fitted two extra beads to abacuses and
sorted it out.
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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 18:03:50 +1100
From: Hamish Laws <h_laws@postoffice.utas.edu.au>
Subject: Re: X-Men Movie
At 07:13 PM 3/4/99 -0600, Michael (Damon) & Peni Griffin wrote:
>At 06:41 PM 3/4/1999 -0500, Marc wrote:
>>
>>Rouge = Pamala Anderson
>
>Rogue is an X-Man; rouge is a cosmetic.
>So, I guess you're right about Anderson. :)
But _allegedly_ Sarah Michelle Gellar has been approached for the role of
Rogue...
(of course that's probably just usenet rumour....)
****************************************************************************
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'You can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all
of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.
Fortunately only a simple majority is required.'
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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 23:54:01 -0500
From: geoff heald <gheald@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: X-Men Movie
At 05:05 PM 3/4/99 -0600, you wrote:
>
>
>Brian Wawrow wrote:
>
>> Oh! Chris Benoit! Chris Benoit
>> IS Wolverine in real life!!
>>
>
>I'd have to agree with you, Benoit is the right build, has the gravelly voice
>and Canadian accentand he looks like he's been beaten on his whole life....it
>would work.
>
>As for the height problem, it's all relative, if you can get reasonably tall
>people to play the rest of the team Benoit would work as Wolverine.....
>Trevor
>
Tiny problem with that: in metal form Colossus is 7'2". Even if you use
CGI to make him bigger, Piotr is 6'8" or so, so whoever you cast as
Colossus needs to be at least 1'2" taller than Wolverine.
They ran into this problem on Night Court. Richard Moll, who played Bull
(and might be good as Colossus) got the part partly because he is 6'8"
tall, and towers over people. But both John Larroquette and Harry Anderson
are 6'5", so he had to wear lifts.
But proving your point, noone noticed because EVERYONE on that show was tall.
============================
Geoff Heald
============================
And it's a little-known fact that the Y1K problem caused the Dark Ages.
Roving bands of well-paid craftsmen fitted two extra beads to abacuses and
sorted it out.
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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 07:10:59 GMT
From: mhoram@relia.net (Curtis A Gibson)
Subject: Re: X-Men Movie
On Thu, 04 Mar 1999 15:44:32 -0800, you wrote:
>At 04:00 PM 3/4/99 -0600, gilberg@ou.edu wrote:
>>> Go rent "Oscar."
>>
>> Haven't seen it. Good? I think Stallone would be good for acting
>>purposes, but others may be better and/or cheaper.
>
> It's quite a good movie. Many critics were saying that it would mark
>his move from action to comedy. Then he did "Stop! Or My Mom Will Shoot"
>and that was it for Sly's comedy career.
And Oscar is as good as Stop! was bad.
>
>>>>Cyclops would be simple. Pick a Baldwin, any Baldwin.
Not too sure about Cyk.
Although I see Nick Cage as Gambit.
- -Mhoram
>Bob's Original Hero Stuff Page! [Circle of HEROS member]
> http://www.klock.com/public/users/bob.greenwade/original.htm
>Merry-Go-Round Webring -- wanna join?
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"Sometimes you have to thwap Evil on the nose with
the rolled-up newspaper of Justice! Bad dog! Bad! Bad!" --The Tick
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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 23:32:29 -0800 (PST)
From: shaw@caprica.com (Wayne Shaw)
Subject: Re: X-Men Movie
>At 07:13 PM 3/4/99 -0600, Michael (Damon) & Peni Griffin wrote:
>>At 06:41 PM 3/4/1999 -0500, Marc wrote:
>>>
>>>Rouge = Pamala Anderson
>>
>>Rogue is an X-Man; rouge is a cosmetic.
>>So, I guess you're right about Anderson. :)
>
>But _allegedly_ Sarah Michelle Gellar has been approached for the role of
>Rogue...
>
>(of course that's probably just usenet rumour....)
I've thought the girl who plays Faith, the other Slayer (now apparently
going bad) would actually do a good Rogue.
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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 05:59:41 -0800
From: Bob Greenwade <bob.greenwade@klock.com>
Subject: Re: Help please
At 06:09 PM 3/4/99 -0500, Marc wrote:
>>>>
<excerpt><smaller>I am planning a San Angelo campaign and I need some
ideas.
</smaller></excerpt><<<<<<<<
Most of the suggestions I have are applicable to just about any
superhero game, or for that matter most RPG campaigns in general.
(Suggestion #3 is the main exception to this.)
Suggestion #1: Pick a theme, and stick to it about 80% of the time.
It may be mystical adventures, high-tech adventures, scenarios dealing
with discrimination (both against supers, or a particular type of super,
as a metaphor of the more familiar kind, or the more familiar kind right
up front), street crime, detective stories, solving ancient mysteries,
psychic adventures, dealing with threats to national security, or any of
a wide variety of other things. Take suggestions from your players about
what would be an interesting theme. But pick one, and go use it to build
your campaign -- including the tie that brings your PCs together for the
initial scenario.
Suggestion #2: As your players create and develop their characters,
have them build ties -- both positive and negative -- to various places
in the book. A martial arts master might know Hyong-Kim Kwang, a
scientific whiz kid may have contacts at the Orion Institute and UCSA, a
mystic type could be friends with Liz Kane, a Latino might go to the same
church as Azteca... you just never know what they can come up with.
Suggestion #3: Once you have your theme, open up SA:CoH at any spot
at random, and read. Just about any two-page spread in the book will
have some problem, or at least potential problem, that your PCs can
solve, even if you bias your reading toward your chosen theme (as you
should). The resolution of conflict is what makes stories. I'll grant
that you may have to do this two or even three times, but it shouldn't
take much more than that to find at least one idea for a scenario.
Suggestion #4: Whenever you build a story, try to tie in a personal
emotional issue for at least one of the PCs. Look at the Psych Limits in
particular, and figure out how the story's villain can step on at least
one -- especially if it's also in keeping with the campaign theme. As
you move along, you can set up direct conflicts between PCs, where one
wants to go one direction and another wants to go in another; the players
can build some of the conflict, though you may need to remind them to let
the characters' mutual respect keep their relationship from falling
apart.
Suggestion #5: Take a look at successful novels, movies, and TV
programs as well as comics to see what makes good pacing for
foreshadowing. Not all pre-story action takes place outside the
protagonist's presence; having an otherwise simple story leave some
disturbing, unanswered questions can be very effective. So can a strange
dying word, a recurring brand name, a shadowy figure lending unexpected
aid, or a variety of other things.
Suggestion #6: Do the same thing again, but this time look for good
examples of using a thriving world as a setting for a story. Astro City
may have been the mold from which the San Angelo die was cast, but there
are many other places where large secondary casts, numerous landmarks,
and other recurring points can be found. The best I've ever seen has
been Moose County, the setting for Lillian Jackson Braun's "The Cat
Who..." series; if you enjoy a light mystery read, I highly recommend
this. Robert Asprin's "Myth" series is another good example of long-term
world-building.
That's what I can think of offhand....
- ---
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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 08:36:35 -0800
From: Tracy L Birdine <hawk291@juno.com>
Subject: Cyn Darkhand
CYNTHEA DARKHAND
Warrior/Assassin
16/22 STR 6
16 DEX 18
16/19 CON 12
15/18 BODY 10
17 INT 7
16 EGO 12
14 PRE 4
14 COM 2
3/7 PD 0
3/7 ED 0
2 SPD 0
6/8 REC 0
32/47 END 0
31/39 STUN 0
Characteristics Cost: 71
24 PKG,"Dwarven Racial Package" 1
(6) +6 STR 1
(6) +3 CON
(6) +3 BODY
(3) +3 PD
(3) +3 ED,"Magic Resistance"
(5) +9 END
(0) +0 INT,-1 Var Lim(-1/2)
(0) +0" Running,-2 Var Lim(-1) 0
(-10) Distinctive Features: Dwarf
(5) IR Vision
73 PKG,"Shadow Axe Skills" 1
(4) Reversal
(4) Martial Dodge
(4) Martial Escape
(4) Nerve Strike
(6) Weapon Groups,Open-Hand,Axes / Maces / Picks,Swords/Blades,
Flails,Garotte,0 END(+1/2)
(3) Cryptography 12-
(3) Contortionist 12-
(3) Concealment 12-
(3) Climbing 12-
(3) Bribery 12-
(3) Bureaucratics 12-
(3) Tactics 12-
(3) Survival 11-
(3) Streetwise 12-
(5) Stealth 13-
(3) Shadowing 11-
(3) Lockpicking 12-
(4) KS: Poisons 13-
(9) 3D6 HA,"Shadow Claw Strike" 1
3 Paramedic 12-
3 Gambling 11-
2 Lang: Elvan,fluent conversation
2 Lang: Orcish,fluent conversation
3 Persuasion 12-
3 Seduction 12-
9 Acrobatics 15-
3 Animal Handler 11-
8 1 Levels,all combat
3 Riding 12-
3 Security Systems 12-
3 Tracking 12-
5 Weaponsmith 12-
2 PS: Armorer 11-
3 12- Contact: House Darkhand
2 Low Nobility
2 11- Contact: Seligad, Healer/Inventor/Mage
3 AK: Githa 12-,(INT based)
Powers Cost: 159
Total Cost: 230
Base Points: 100
15 Hunted,"Shadow Axe",more powerful,harsh,appear 8-
15 Rivalry,"Max Ironblade",both,PC rival
15 Psych Lim,"Ruthless when necessary",common,strong
15 Hunted,"Concealers",more powerful,harsh,appear 8-
10 Psych Lim,"Party Animal",uncommon,strong
10 Rep,"Affiliation: Kael's Crew",occur 11-
Disadvantages Total: 80
Experience Spent: 50
Total Points: 230
________________________________________________
Cyn is the party's reality checker. In situations where idealist action
just isn't enough, she has the moral fortitude to do whatever's necessary
to accomplish a goal...
|- /\ \\/ |< [ ICQ: 32038562 ]
CO/Alpha Company, Black Horse Regiment
"Your brain doesn't perform any other function
than to keep your head from caving in." --Peg Bundy
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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 17:39:43 -0800
From: "Capt. Spith" <cptspith@teleport.com>
Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Spidey Movie
Brian Wawrow wrote:
<<....>>
> Alpha Flight, based on the cast of The Beachcombers!! Bruno Gerrussi as
> Vindicator! Cameo by Al Waxman as a Department H beurocrat!! Sorry, this is
> a reference to an old Canadian show.
Your ideas tickled me! And I remember the Beachcombers! I watched
them in Canada when I was a kid, mid-seventies....
- --
-Reverend Spith
"All of human knowledge can be summed up by one simple dynamic;
We look at stuff and we make stuff up. That's it. That's science."
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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 11:51:02 -0500
From: "Berengiere" <beren@voyager.net>
Subject: New PBEM game starting
I'm stating up a new pbem game. For more information, please go to:
http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/daniken/79/villains/oss.htm
Lisa Hartjes
Lead Developer, The Crimson Covenant
beren@unforgettable.com
http://roswell.fortunecity.com/daniken/79
or http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/daniken/79
ICQ: Berengiere (9062561)
If the GM smiles, run. If she laughs, it's too late...
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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 09:08:23 -0800
From: "Filksinger" <filkhero@usa.net>
Subject: Re: X-Men Movie
From: Wayne Shaw <shaw@caprica.com>
>>At 07:13 PM 3/4/99 -0600, Michael (Damon) & Peni Griffin wrote:
>>>At 06:41 PM 3/4/1999 -0500, Marc wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Rouge = Pamala Anderson
>>>
>>>Rogue is an X-Man; rouge is a cosmetic.
>>>So, I guess you're right about Anderson. :)
>>
>>But _allegedly_ Sarah Michelle Gellar has been approached for the role of
>>Rogue...
>>
>>(of course that's probably just usenet rumour....)
>
>I've thought the girl who plays Faith, the other Slayer (now apparently
>going bad) would actually do a good Rogue.
>
My wife suggested the woman who plays Seven of Nine on ST:Voyager for that
role, though I am uncertain. She also suggested she might do for Marvel
Girl.
As for me, I thought Marvel Girl could be played by Julia Roberts.
Filksinger
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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 13:27:02 EST
From: WyldWsel@aol.com
Subject: Re: New PBEM game starting
In a message dated 3/5/99 11:54:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, beren@voyager.net
writes:
<< http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/daniken/79/villains/oss.htm
>>
Hey! this is the wrong address or at least they say this page nolonger
exisits.
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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 11:03:59 -0800
From: Mark Lemming <icepirat@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: New PBEM game starting
WyldWsel@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 3/5/99 11:54:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, beren@voyager.net
> writes:
>
> << http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/daniken/79/villains/oss.htm
> >>
>
> Hey! this is the wrong address or at least they say this page nolonger
> exisits.
I had no trouble with it. Can you get to www.fortunecity.com? If not,
it could AOL having a DNS problem with the site.
- -Mark
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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 13:21:12 -0600 (CST)
From: gilberg@ou.edu
Subject: Re: X-Men Movie
>>Rogue is an X-Man; rouge is a cosmetic.
>>So, I guess you're right about Anderson. :)
>
>But _allegedly_ Sarah Michelle Gellar has been approached for the role of
>Rogue...
More than likely. I like Bernadette Peters for Rogue and Jean Reno
for Gambit, myself.
-Tim Gilberg
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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 14:20:07 -0500
From: Brian Wawrow <bwawrow@fmco.com>
Subject: find weakness
Hi,
Can somebody help me out? I don't have my book and I need to know the
details of Find Weakness
Thanks,
BRI
Brian Wawrow
Financial Models Company
"Do or do not. There is no try."
- - Yoda
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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 13:24:34 -0600 (CST)
From: gilberg@ou.edu
Subject: Re: X-Men Movie
>Tiny problem with that: in metal form Colossus is 7'2". Even if you use
>CGI to make him bigger, Piotr is 6'8" or so, so whoever you cast as
>Colossus needs to be at least 1'2" taller than Wolverine.
You're serious, aren't you?
I don't think that they will try to make sure that Colossus is at
least 1'2" taller than Wolverine. Personally, I hope that they don't make
height the major factor in the casting. Yes, Wolvie needs to be shorter
than the others, and Colossus taller, but that's about it.
Besides, who do you think that they will actually include? I doubt
Colossus would be in an X-Men movie.
Professor X, Wolverine, Jubilee, Cyclops, Jean Grey, Storm. Those
are probably for sure. Add Bambit and Rogue as you've got an interesting
thing going there as probables. McCoy, Colossus, Nightcrawler, Bisop, Cable
are all doubtfuls.
-Tim Gilberg
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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 14:46:17 -0500
From: Brian Wawrow <bwawrow@fmco.com>
Subject: RE: X-Men Movie
] Professor X, Wolverine, Jubilee, Cyclops, Jean Grey,
] Storm. Those
] are probably for sure. Add Bambit and Rogue as you've got an
] interesting
] thing going there as probables. McCoy, Colossus,
] Nightcrawler, Bisop, Cable
] are all doubtfuls.
There are number of different ways they could approach this, each has its
own casting.
[1]They could just do the Wolverine movie, maybe based on his original
4-part miniseries. This could involve cameos by other X-Men or members of
Alpha Flight. Sabretooth would probably end up being the main villain,
possibly with Lady Deathstrike or Bloodscream thrown in.
[2] Early X-Men: Cyclops, Marvel Girl, Beast, Ice Man, Angel probably
against Magneto
[3] 2nd Gen X-Men: Wolverine, Nightcrawler, Psylocke, Storm, Colossus,
Shadowcat, etc. They could take on any of number of classic plots like the
Mutant Massacre, the Brood, the Shadow King, whatever.
[4] Age of Apocalypse: Twisted versions of everybody. Lots of grand visuals,
Apocalypse, Mr. Sinister, Sentinels, Sabretooth, it's got it all.
[5] Team of the month: Grab whomever the hottest and sexiest 6 or 8
characters from any of the X-titles, have them scrap Magneto with lots of
explosions and crappy dialogue. Given my cynicism, his seems like the most
likely scenario. They'll probably make up a couple of characters that have
never been X-Men and they'll suck.
[6] The Hank McCoy Show!! We follow the coolest, smartest, wittiest, most
erudite member of the X-Men as he leads his intellectual inferiors through a
complex plot full of scientific flavour, obfuscation and misdirection, all
the while using acrobatics and word play to humiliate his foes until it's
time to do a backflip into a drop kick in the solar plexus. I want dialogue
like Shakespeare, paranoid flavour like William Gibson and fights like Jacky
Chan. More $40 words per minute than any previous comic movie. I realize
this is a long shot and I'd probably be the only one in the theatre but a
boy can dream, can't he?
These are my scenarios. I don't know which, if any, will come to fruition.
BRI
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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 14:09:00 -0600 (CST)
From: Curt Hicks <exucurt@exu.ericsson.se>
Subject: RE: X-Men Movie
Can somebody fillout the campaign introduction sheet for each of these ?
(grin)
Curt Hicks
> From: Brian Wawrow <bwawrow@fmco.com>
>
> [1]They could just do the Wolverine movie, maybe based on his original
> 4-part miniseries. This could involve cameos by other X-Men or members of
> Alpha Flight. Sabretooth would probably end up being the main villain,
> possibly with Lady Deathstrike or Bloodscream thrown in.
>
> [2] Early X-Men: Cyclops, Marvel Girl, Beast, Ice Man, Angel probably
> against Magneto
>
> [3] 2nd Gen X-Men: Wolverine, Nightcrawler, Psylocke, Storm, Colossus,
> Shadowcat, etc. They could take on any of number of classic plots like the
> Mutant Massacre, the Brood, the Shadow King, whatever.
>
> [4] Age of Apocalypse: Twisted versions of everybody. Lots of grand visuals,
> Apocalypse, Mr. Sinister, Sentinels, Sabretooth, it's got it all.
>
> [5] Team of the month: Grab whomever the hottest and sexiest 6 or 8
> characters from any of the X-titles, have them scrap Magneto with lots of
> explosions and crappy dialogue. Given my cynicism, his seems like the most
> likely scenario. They'll probably make up a couple of characters that have
> never been X-Men and they'll suck.
>
> [6] The Hank McCoy Show!! We follow the coolest, smartest, wittiest, most
> erudite member of the X-Men as he leads his intellectual inferiors through a
> complex plot full of scientific flavour, obfuscation and misdirection, all
> the while using acrobatics and word play to humiliate his foes until it's
> time to do a backflip into a drop kick in the solar plexus. I want dialogue
> like Shakespeare, paranoid flavour like William Gibson and fights like Jacky
> Chan. More $40 words per minute than any previous comic movie. I realize
> this is a long shot and I'd probably be the only one in the theatre but a
> boy can dream, can't he?
>
> These are my scenarios. I don't know which, if any, will come to fruition.
>
> BRI
>
>
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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 12:37:01 -0800
From: Christopher Taylor <ctaylor@viser.net>
Subject: Re: X-Men Movie
At 01:24 PM 3/5/99 -0600, gilberg@ou.edu wrote:
>
>>Tiny problem with that: in metal form Colossus is 7'2". Even if you use
>>CGI to make him bigger, Piotr is 6'8" or so, so whoever you cast as
>>Colossus needs to be at least 1'2" taller than Wolverine.
>
> You're serious, aren't you?
>
> I don't think that they will try to make sure that Colossus is at
>least 1'2" taller than Wolverine. Personally, I hope that they don't make
>height the major factor in the casting. Yes, Wolvie needs to be shorter
>than the others, and Colossus taller, but that's about it.
>
> Besides, who do you think that they will actually include? I doubt
>Colossus would be in an X-Men movie.
>
> Professor X, Wolverine, Jubilee, Cyclops, Jean Grey, Storm. Those
>are probably for sure. Add Bambit and Rogue as you've got an interesting
>thing going there as probables. McCoy, Colossus, Nightcrawler, Bisop, Cable
>are all doubtfuls.
I'm sure they will but call me old fashioned, the ULTIMATE lineup was
Storm, Cyke, Collossus, Kitty, Wolverine and Nightcrawler... awesome
stories, interaction, powers and look. Oh well...
- --------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sola Gracia Sola Scriptura Sola Fide
Soli Gloria Deo Solus Christus Corum Deo
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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 12:38:47 -0800
From: Christopher Taylor <ctaylor@viser.net>
Subject: RE: X-Men Movie
>There are number of different ways they could approach this, each has its
>own casting.
I cannot believe you left off the Phoenix saga or the Brood story in this
list, of all the stories to leave out (and putting in some of the umm less
excellent ones no less). The second generation of XMen was Storm, Cyke,
Collossus, NightCrawler, Kitty, and Wolverine by the way.
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Sola Gracia Sola Scriptura Sola Fide
Soli Gloria Deo Solus Christus Corum Deo
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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 13:42:37 PST
From: "Jesse Thomas" <haerandir@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: X-Men Movie
On Thu, 04 Mar 1999 Bob Greenwade <bob.greenwade@klock.com> wrote:
> I thought of him, but he's too old. Scott's in his mid-forties;
Cyke
>needs to be somewhere in his thirties. I ruled out Rick Springfield
for
>the same reason.
I ruled him out for a different reason.
*Jesse* Thomas
haerandir@hotmail.com
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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:39:45 -0500
From: "Berengiere" <beren@voyager.net>
Subject: Re: New PBEM game starting
> << http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/daniken/79/villains/oss.htm
> >>
>
> Hey! this is the wrong address or at least they say this page
nolonger
> exisits.
<<I had no trouble with it. Can you get to www.fortunecity.com? If not,
it could AOL having a DNS problem with the site.>>
Fortune City can sometimes be a bit wonky. Give it another try.
Lisa
Lisa Hartjes
Lead Developer, The Crimson Covenant
beren@unforgettable.com
http://roswell.fortunecity.com/daniken/79
or http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/daniken/79
ICQ: Berengiere (9062561)
If the GM smiles, run. If she laughs, it's too late...
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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 14:12:14 PST
From: "Jesse Thomas" <haerandir@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: find weakness
Here you go, Brian:
BBB, p. 48
Find Weakness (Magnifying Glass)
- -------------
This Skill represents an uncanny ability to find a weakness in the
defenses of a target. For 10 Character Points, a character with this
skill may reduce his target's appropriate defense by half on a roll of
11 or less. At its basic level, this Talent applies only to one of the
character's attack forms; this attack must be determined when this
talent is purchased. For example, if the character with this talent had
a bow and a sword, he would have to decide whether Find Weakness would
apply for the bow or the sword; it would give no benefit for the other
weapon. For +10 points, the character could use Find Weakness with a
group of related attacks (all martial arts attacks, all flame spells).
For +10 more points, the character can use Find Weakness for all of his
attacks. The character gets a +1 on the Find Weakness Roll for 5
Character Points.
If the Find Weakness is made at a distance, it takes normal
penalties for range. Attempting to Find Weakness takes a half Phase
action.
A character can try to Find Weakness on a target as often as time
allows. Each successful roll is cumulative (second time defense is
x.25, third time defense is x.125, etc). If the character ever fails to
Find Weakness on a target, he may make no furter Find Weakness attempts
on that target. Each subsequent attempt to Find Weakness has a
cumulative -2 chance to Find Weakness (second try -2, third try -4, and
so on).
Find Weakness only works for the character who has the Find
Weakness. The target defends against all attacks form other heroes
normally. Weakness may be found in all types of defenses, including
Force Fields or Force Walls.
Any Weakness found only applies for that particular battle, and the
next time the character sees the target he'll have to make his Find
Weakness Roll all over again. Conversely, if a character fails to Find
Weakness on his target, he may try again when they meet in another
encounter.
Find Weakness Modifiers:
- ------------------------
+1 Preparing a Phase, -1 to -3 Unusual or alien physique, -2 for each
consecutive attempt.
Hope this helps.
Jesse Thomas
haerandir@hotmail.com
>From: Brian Wawrow <bwawrow@fmco.com>
>To: Champeens <champ-l@sysabend.org>
>Subject: find weakness
>Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 14:20:07 -0500
>
>Hi,
>
>Can somebody help me out? I don't have my book and I need to know the
>details of Find Weakness
>
>Thanks,
>BRI
>
>Brian Wawrow
>Financial Models Company
>
>"Do or do not. There is no try."
>- Yoda
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 14:16:07 PST
From: "Jesse Thomas" <haerandir@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: X-Men Movie
Brian Wawrow <bwawrow@fmco.com> wrote, on Fri, 5 Mar 1999:
>
>[6] The Hank McCoy Show!! We follow the coolest, smartest, wittiest,
most
>erudite member of the X-Men as he leads his intellectual inferiors
through a
>complex plot full of scientific flavour, obfuscation and misdirection,
all
>the while using acrobatics and word play to humiliate his foes until
it's
>time to do a backflip into a drop kick in the solar plexus. I want
dialogue
>like Shakespeare, paranoid flavour like William Gibson and fights like
Jacky
>Chan. More $40 words per minute than any previous comic movie. I
realize
>this is a long shot and I'd probably be the only one in the theatre but
a
>boy can dream, can't he?
I would pay $7.75 to see this film several times. When it came out on
video, I would buy it. That's the kind of guy I really am.
You realize, of course, that you could make the exact same movie and
call it an Avengers flick? Two movies for the price of one! I'm amazed
the studios haven't thought of this already...
Jesse Thomas
haerandir@hotmail.com
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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 14:23:51 PST
From: "Jesse Thomas" <haerandir@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: X-Men Movie
On Fri, 05 Mar 1999 Christopher Taylor <ctaylor@viser.net> wrote:
>I cannot believe you left off the Phoenix saga or the Brood story in
this
>list, of all the stories to leave out (and putting in some of the umm
less
>excellent ones no less).
You mean aside from the fact that he did mention the Brood and the
Phoenix Saga is clearly less fun than a root canal? I would like to
echo the sentiments someone expressed yesterday about Apocalypse, and
add Phoenix to the list of boring villains with we'd be better off
without.
Jesse Thomas
haerandir@hotmail.com
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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 99 22:58:51
From: "qts" <qts@nildram.co.uk>
Subject: Re: this would rock (fwd)
On Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:47:58 -0800, Filksinger wrote:
>The biggest problem of Starship Troopers is that it was a "glorify the
>military" book,
Hmmm... it has some rather unsubtle digs at officers vs non-coms.
>made into a movie by a man who hated the military, had no
>idea how the military worked, had no idea how to portray a war movie, and
>didn't understand the book at all.
Um, no. The film was a very black *comedy*.
qts
Home: qts@nildram.co.uk.
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