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champ-l-digest         Saturday, March 6 1999         Volume 01 : Number 227 
 
 
 
In this issue: 
 
    Re: DunDraCon thoughts 
    Re: this would rock (fwd) 
    Re: [OT] Casting Wolverine 
    Re: X-Men Movie 
    RE: X-Men Movie 
    RE: X-Men Movie 
    Re: X-Men Movie 
    Re: [OT] Re: Spidey Movie 
    Re: X-Men Movie 
    Re: X-Men Movie 
    unsubscribe 
    Re: X-Men Movie 
    Villain Exits 
    Re: X-Men Movie 
    Re: X-Men Movie 
    Re: X-Men Movie 
    Re: X-Men Movie 
    Re: X-Men Movie 
    RE: X-Men Movie 
    Re: X-Men Movie 
    Re: this would rock (fwd) 
    Re: this would rock (fwd) 
    Re: [OT] Casting Wolverine 
    subscribe 
    RE: X Men movie 
    Re: X Men movie 
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    Re: X-Men Movie 
    Re: X Men movie 
    Re: it's all about defense 
    Re: X Men movie 
    Re: X-Men Movie 
 
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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 18:01:19 EST 
From: dobrien@e-mail.com 
Subject: Re: DunDraCon thoughts 
 
>Played in Glen Thain's FH/Champs/Petal Throne game.  Confusing, but enjoyable.  
>I was introduced to Hero rules I never knew existed.  And I've been playing     
>for 17 years now.                                                               
>Example: Occupied hexes have a DCV of 5. Wonder if that's true if it's          
>         occupied by an invisible character.                                    
 
I was in the room when Glen mentioned this "rule".  He said, "that's the         
way the game is supposed to be played".  I know Glen was one of the              
original playtesters for Champions, and that rule may have been in one of        
the playtest drafts, but it's not in any of the published editions of            
Champions or any other Hero game, with the possible exception of Robot           
Warriors or Star Hero (the only ones I don't have).                              
 
I can understand the reason for it: the designers were trying to make it         
a little harder to use Area Effect as a substitute for OCV and Levels,           
but it's definitely a house rule.                                                
 
>Hero Creator:  Improvement over Heromaker even though I'm still getting used    
>to                                                                              
>it.  I'm looking forward to writing my own filters for custom sheets.           
 
I've started to play with the Hero template for CW (functionally the same        
as Hero Creator, with the addition of import/export to Fuzion).  One of          
the things I don't like is that CW print templates print only a defined          
number of pages, whereas HeroMaker will print as many pages as it takes          
to list a character's Powers, Skills, and Disadvantages.  I'll have to           
build new print templates for some of my FH characters.  Also, characters        
imported from HeroMaker sometimes end up with more points in CW.  One of         
my FH characters had five points added to each of his Disads in the              
"Other" category, and 22 points added to the cost of his Powers.  I can't        
print a complete character sheet for him, so I haven't tracked down the          
discrepancies in Power costs, yet.                                               
 
                                             Dennis                              
 
"Open the pod bay door, HAL."                                                    
"I'm sorry, Dave, but there's a General Protection Fault in module               
KRNL32.EXE."  -- Morgan Frew                                                     
 
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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 15:04:05 -0800 
From: "John Jerles" <jjerles@pacificnet.net> 
Subject: Re: this would rock (fwd) 
 
Starship Troopers a "glorify the military" book?  When I read it I= 
 considered it to be more of a study on the moral and philosophical= 
 implications of a militaristically run society and how it affected the= 
 youth of that culture. 
 
As far as the movie goes, I agree that it was a dark comedy more than= 
 anything else.  Once I got past how it had almost nothing to do with the= 
 book, my only gripe was having Doogie Howser as the 'super psychic'. 
 
 
*********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** 
 
On 3/5/99, at 2:53 PM, qts wrote:  
 
>On Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:47:58 -0800, Filksinger wrote: 
> 
>>The biggest problem of Starship Troopers is that it was a "glorify the 
>>military" book,  
> 
>Hmmm... it has some rather unsubtle digs at officers vs non-coms. 
> 
>>made into a movie by a man who hated the military, had no 
>>idea how the military worked, had no idea how to portray a war movie, and 
>>didn't understand the book at all. 
> 
>Um, no. The film was a very black *comedy*. 
>qts 
> 
>Home: qts@nildram.co.uk. 
 
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Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 10:39:48 -0800 
From: Rick Holding <rholding@actonline.com.au> 
Subject: Re: [OT] Casting Wolverine 
 
Bob Greenwade wrote: 
>  
> At 02:06 AM 3/5/99 +1000, Lockie wrote: 
> >>   It just occurred to me that this might be a good breakout role for 
> >>Martin Short (the way "The Truman Show" was a breakout for Jim Carrey). 
> >>--- 
> > 
> >gee, how about bozo the clown? *L* 
> >martin short. .. *yeesh* let's remember the feral intensity at play in the 
> >character here.  or at least get a good 
> >action guy. . 
>  
>    Since you're in Australia, you probably never got to see Martin in the 
> NBC production of "Merlin." 
>    If I'm right about that, you missed a lot. 
 
	No, it was on a couple of months ago.  And he played an interesting 
character very well.  The problem I have of seeing Mr Short as Wolverine 
is the complete lack of BULK. 
- --  
Rick Holding 
 
If only "common sense" was just a bit more common... 
   or if you prefer...  You call this logic ? 
 
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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 17:56:13 -0600 (Central Standard Time) 
From: Tim Gilberg <gilberg@ou.edu> 
Subject: Re: X-Men Movie 
 
> I'm sure they will but call me old fashioned, the ULTIMATE lineup was 
> Storm, Cyke, Collossus, Kitty, Wolverine and Nightcrawler... awesome 
> stories, interaction, powers and look.  Oh well... 
 
	Sure, but we're looking at who would make a movie as it would 
likely appear, not as we would necessarily want it to appear. 
 
	Bishop's my fave, personally, but there's no way he makes a movie. 
 
					-Tim Gilberg 
			-"English Majors of the World!  Untie!" 
 
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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 17:58:34 -0600 (Central Standard Time) 
From: Tim Gilberg <gilberg@ou.edu> 
Subject: RE: X-Men Movie 
 
> You mean aside from the fact that he did mention the Brood and the  
> Phoenix Saga is clearly less fun than a root canal?  I would like to  
> echo the sentiments someone expressed yesterday about Apocalypse, and  
> add Phoenix to the list of boring villains with we'd be better off  
> without.   
 
	Sigh.  I just don't understand some people. 
 
 
					-Tim Gilberg 
			-"English Majors of the World!  Untie!" 
 
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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 16:16:23 -0800 
From: Christopher Taylor <ctaylor@viser.net> 
Subject: RE: X-Men Movie 
 
>>I cannot believe you left off the Phoenix saga or the Brood story in  
>this 
>>list, of all the stories to leave out (and putting in some of the umm  
>less 
>>excellent ones no less).   
> 
>You mean aside from the fact that he did mention the Brood and the  
>Phoenix Saga is clearly less fun than a root canal?  I would like to  
>echo the sentiments someone expressed yesterday about Apocalypse, and  
>add Phoenix to the list of boring villains with we'd be better off  
>without.   
 
wow well ya know not every story is about fun and flowers LOL but to each 
his own :)   
 
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Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 10:52:30 +1000 
From: "Lockie" <jonesl@cqnet.com.au> 
Subject: Re: X-Men Movie 
 
- -----Original Message----- 
From: Wayne Shaw <shaw@caprica.com> 
> 
>I've thought the girl who plays Faith, the other Slayer (now apparently 
>going bad) would actually do a good Rogue. 
> 
 
faith? i thought somebody called kendra? guh, missed that episode. .  
 
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Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 10:54:58 +1000 
From: "Lockie" <jonesl@cqnet.com.au> 
Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Spidey Movie 
 
- -----Original Message----- 
From: Capt. Spith <cptspith@teleport.com> 
To: champ-l@sysabend.org <champ-l@sysabend.org> 
Date: Saturday, March 06, 1999 2:48 AM 
Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Spidey Movie 
 
 
>Brian Wawrow wrote: 
> 
><<....>> 
> 
>> Alpha Flight, based on the cast of The Beachcombers!! Bruno Gerrussi as 
>> Vindicator! Cameo by Al Waxman as a Department H beurocrat!! Sorry, this 
is 
>> a reference to an old Canadian show. 
> 
>   Your ideas tickled me!  And I remember the Beachcombers!  I watched 
>them in Canada when I was a kid, mid-seventies.... 
> 
> 
 
 
i watched it as a kid in the mid-eighties in aus (god bless the repeat-laden 
aus 
networks). that was the one where people erm. . .went around on boats doing 
stuff, right? 
 
>-- 
>  -Reverend Spith 
>   "All of human knowledge can be summed up by one simple dynamic; 
>    We look at stuff and we make stuff up.  That's it.  That's science." 
> 
 
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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 17:10:49 -0800 
From: "Filksinger" <filkhero@usa.net> 
Subject: Re: X-Men Movie 
 
From: Lockie <jonesl@cqnet.com.au> 
 
>>I've thought the girl who plays Faith, the other Slayer (now apparently 
>>going bad) would actually do a good Rogue. 
>> 
> 
>faith? i thought somebody called kendra? guh, missed that episode. . 
 
 
Kendra was killed a little while back. Faith is Kendra's replacement, who 
has now offered her services to the head bad guy in town. 
 
Filksinger 
 
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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 17:28:28 -0800 (PST) 
From: shaw@caprica.com (Wayne Shaw) 
Subject: Re: X-Men Movie 
 
> 
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: Wayne Shaw <shaw@caprica.com> 
>> 
>>I've thought the girl who plays Faith, the other Slayer (now apparently 
>>going bad) would actually do a good Rogue. 
>> 
> 
>faith? i thought somebody called kendra? guh, missed that episode. .  
 
Different second Slayer. :)  Kendra died at the end of...last season? 
Anyway, apparently the 'trigger a new Slayer on death' operation applies to 
false triggers like Kendra, so we got yet another Slayer. 
 
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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 22:59:11 -0300 
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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 20:32:50 -0600 
From: "Michael (Damon) & Peni Griffin" <griffin@txdirect.net> 
Subject: Re: X-Men Movie 
 
At 05:10 PM 3/5/1999 -0800, Filksinger wrote: 
>Kendra was killed a little while back. Faith is Kendra's replacement, who 
>has now offered her services to the head bad guy in town. 
 
It's barely possible Faith has gone undercover, but I don't hold much hope 
for that development.  I'm afraid a "slayer vs. slayer" episode is more 
likely, with Faith defeated (but possibly not killed) and written out of 
the show. 
 
Damon 
 
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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 10:41:14 -0800 
From: Bob Greenwade <bob.greenwade@klock.com> 
Subject: Villain Exits 
 
   It took some rumination, but I have thought of two great villain bye-byes. 
   I've never permanently killed off a villain in my games, mostly because 
I've never had a campaign last long enough, so both of these are from movies. 
   For a great comedic exit:  Vizzini, from The Princess Bride. 
   For a great, if arguably overdone, dramatic exit:  Khan, from Star Trek 
II. 
- --- 
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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 12:11:57 -0800 
From: "Capt. Spith" <cptspith@teleport.com> 
Subject: Re: X-Men Movie 
 
>>Rouge = Pamala Anderson 
 
   Ick. 
 
>Rogue is an X-Man; rouge is a cosmetic.   
>So, I guess you're right about Anderson.  :) 
 
But _allegedly_ Sarah Michelle Gellar has been approached for the role 
of 
Rogue... 
 
   Hmm.  Actually, I think Geena Davis (as mentioned earlier) would be 
great for the part; she's got the perfect look, and has quite the range 
in acting. 
 
 
- --  
  -Reverend Spith 
   "All of human knowledge can be summed up by one simple dynamic; 
    We look at stuff and we make stuff up.  That's it.  That's science." 
 
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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 14:44:50 -0800 
From: "Capt. Spith" <cptspith@teleport.com> 
Subject: Re: X-Men Movie 
 
Brian Wawrow wrote: 
 
> There are number of different ways they could approach this, each has its 
> own casting. 
>  
> [1]They could just do the Wolverine movie,... 
  
> [2] Early X-Men: Cyclops, Marvel Girl, Beast, Ice Man, Angel probably 
> against Magneto... 
  
> [3] 2nd Gen X-Men: Wolverine, Nightcrawler, Psylocke, Storm, Colossus, 
> Shadowcat, etc.... 
 
Actually, I would love to see a (good)movie (or movie series) with the 
Brood!  Of course, that's never gonna happen.... 
 
> [4] Age of Apocalypse: Twisted versions of everybody.... 
  
> [5] Team of the month: Grab whomever the hottest and sexiest 6 or 8 
> characters from any of the X-titles,... 
 
   This sems to be the most popular way Hollywood has turning comics 
into movies; take one or two central elements of the comic, then screw 
everything else up as much as possible. 
 
> [6] The Hank McCoy Show!!... and I'd probably be the only one in the theatre but a 
> boy can dream, can't he? 
 
   I laughed out loud!  But, I'd be there, six rows in front of you, 
with a big-ass bicket of greasy popcorn! 
 
 
- --  
  -Reverend Spith 
   "All of human knowledge can be summed up by one simple dynamic; 
    We look at stuff and we make stuff up.  That's it.  That's science." 
 
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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 21:42:00 -0800 
From: "Capt. Spith" <cptspith@teleport.com> 
Subject: Re: X-Men Movie 
 
Lockie wrote: 
>  
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Wayne Shaw <shaw@caprica.com> 
> > 
> >I've thought the girl who plays Faith, the other Slayer (now apparently 
> >going bad) would actually do a good Rogue. 
> > 
>  
> faith? i thought somebody called kendra? guh, missed that episode. . 
 
   Kendra was killed shortly after arriving in America (I think she 
barely lasted two or three episodes).  Faith was then 'called' to be the 
next slayer.  Personally, I thought Kendra had a much more interesting 
future tham Faith.... 
 
   And Kendra could've made an awesome Storm!  At least an early, 
younger Storm. 
 
- --  
  -Reverend Spith 
   "All of human knowledge can be summed up by one simple dynamic; 
    We look at stuff and we make stuff up.  That's it.  That's science." 
 
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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 21:47:07 -0800 
From: "Capt. Spith" <cptspith@teleport.com> 
Subject: Re: X-Men Movie 
 
Wayne Shaw wrote: 
 
> >faith? i thought somebody called kendra? guh, missed that episode. . 
>  
> Different second Slayer. :)  Kendra died at the end of...last season? 
> Anyway, apparently the 'trigger a new Slayer on death' operation applies to 
> false triggers like Kendra, so we got yet another Slayer. 
 
   Actually, Buffy's 'death' would be the one to count as a false 
trigger, since she didn't stay dead.  Kendra's death was more permanent, 
thus a valid trigger.  I would imagine the process occurs at the instant 
of death, so subsequent return to life is immaterial. 
 
   HEY!  Why don't they capitalize on this knowledge and our medical 
technology?  Nowadays, doctors can pretty reliably stop somebody's heart 
for a minute or so, then start it up again; they could create an ARMY of 
slayers! 
 
- --  
  -Reverend Spith 
   "All of human knowledge can be summed up by one simple dynamic; 
    We look at stuff and we make stuff up.  That's it.  That's science." 
 
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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 21:37:23 -0800 (PST) 
From: shaw@caprica.com (Wayne Shaw) 
Subject: Re: X-Men Movie 
 
>   HEY!  Why don't they capitalize on this knowledge and our medical 
>technology?  Nowadays, doctors can pretty reliably stop somebody's heart 
>for a minute or so, then start it up again; they could create an ARMY of 
>slayers! 
 
We've actually discussed this locally, and concluded that probably the same 
Slayer's 'death' couldn't trigger twice.  On the other hand, that doesn't 
stop you from doing it, it just takes longer. 
 
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Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 02:32:18 -0500 
From: geoff heald <gheald@worldnet.att.net> 
Subject: RE: X-Men Movie 
 
At 12:38 PM 3/5/99 -0800, you wrote: 
>>There are number of different ways they could approach this, each has its 
>>own casting. 
> 
>I cannot believe you left off the Phoenix saga or the Brood story in this 
>list, of all the stories to leave out (and putting in some of the umm less 
>excellent ones no less).  The second generation of XMen was Storm, Cyke, 
>Collossus, NightCrawler, Kitty, and Wolverine by the way. 
> 
You forgot Thunderbird.  And Kitty didn't join for a while after thst, 
really at the beginning of the Phoenix saga. 
 
 
============================ 
Geoff Heald 
============================ 
And it's a little-known fact that the Y1K problem caused the Dark Ages. 
Roving bands of well-paid craftsmen fitted two extra beads to abacuses and 
sorted it out. 
 
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Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 21:42:05 +1100 
From: Hamish Laws <h_laws@postoffice.utas.edu.au> 
Subject: Re: X-Men Movie 
 
At 08:32 PM 3/5/99 -0600, Michael (Damon) & Peni Griffin wrote: 
>At 05:10 PM 3/5/1999 -0800, Filksinger wrote: 
>>Kendra was killed a little while back. Faith is Kendra's replacement, who 
>>has now offered her services to the head bad guy in town. 
> 
>It's barely possible Faith has gone undercover, but I don't hold much hope 
>for that development.  I'm afraid a "slayer vs. slayer" episode is more 
>likely, with Faith defeated (but possibly not killed) and written out of 
>the show. 
 
I _think_ it's been mentioned that Faith may appear in the Angel spinoff 
series... 
 
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The Politician's Slogan 
'You can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all 
of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time. 
Fortunately only a simple majority is required.' 
**************************************************************************** 
 
Mad Hamish 
 
Hamish Laws 
h_laws@postoffice.utas.edu.au 
h_laws@tassie.net.au 
 
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Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 11:15:18 +1000 
From: "Lockie" <jonesl@cqnet.com.au> 
Subject: Re: this would rock (fwd) 
 
- -----Original Message----- 
From: qts <qts@nildram.co.uk> 
>Um, no. The film was a very black *comedy*. 
>qts 
> 
>Home: qts@nildram.co.uk. 
> 
> 
 
correct. for instance, i don't see how anyone could see doogie howser as a 
nazi telepath 
interfacing with giant worms and not see a little big of humor. 
 
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Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 11:17:30 +1000 
From: "Lockie" <jonesl@cqnet.com.au> 
Subject: Re: this would rock (fwd) 
 
- -----Original Message----- 
From: John Jerles <jjerles@pacificnet.net> 
To: champ-l@sysabend.org <champ-l@sysabend.org> 
Date: Saturday, March 06, 1999 9:05 AM 
Subject: Re: this would rock (fwd) 
 
 
>Starship Troopers a "glorify the military" book?  When I read it I 
considered it to be more of a study on the moral and philosophical 
implications of a militaristically run society and how it affected the youth 
of that culture. 
> 
>As far as the movie goes, I agree that it was a dark comedy more than 
anything else.  Once I got past how it had almost nothing to do with the 
book, my only gripe was having Doogie Howser as the 'super psychic'. 
> 
> 
 
hmm, shoulda read ahead. for the record, i'm pretty sure that was part of 
the joke. 
The whole 'whitebread teens' thing was a clear focus, and who's more of a 
young 
overachiever than good 'ol doogie? 
 
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Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 11:20:13 +1000 
From: "Lockie" <jonesl@cqnet.com.au> 
Subject: Re: [OT] Casting Wolverine 
 
- -----Original Message----- 
From: Rick Holding <rholding@actonline.com.au> 
> No, it was on a couple of months ago.  And he played an interesting 
>character very well.  The problem I have of seeing Mr Short as Wolverine 
>is the complete lack of BULK. 
>-- 
>Rick Holding 
> 
>If only "common sense" was just a bit more common... 
>   or if you prefer...  You call this logic ? 
> 
 
oh, that one? As in, starring that australian guy from jurassic park who's 
since been 
typecast into horror roles? (who knows why) um, short played that wierd 
shapeshifting 
pixie guy, did he? um, sorry, that's sure not what i look for in wolverine. 
Bulk is important, 
so is intensity, animal ferocity, and hair. 
 
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Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 06:07:29 PST 
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Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 09:14:05 -0800 (PST) 
From: Dale Ward <daleaward@rocketmail.com> 
Subject: RE: X Men movie 
 
Greetings! 
 
- ---Christopher Taylor <ctaylor@viser.net> wrote: 
> 
> What they could do is find someone gruff and well built and feral-seeming, 
> and computer edit them like is being done for the Hobbits in the upcoming 
> Lord of the Rings.  Just make sure they aren't a known actor (seeing 
> stallone shrunk like that would be jarring and odd, for example, even 
> though I think he could do the job very well). 
 
     I can see it now... 
 
     "Yo, Pippin!" 
 
Dale A. Ward 
<Diagonally Parked In A Parallel Universe> 
 
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Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 09:47:34 -0800 (PST) 
From: <miq@teleport.com> 
Subject: Re: X Men movie 
 
Dale Ward says: 
> ---Christopher Taylor <ctaylor@viser.net> wrote: 
> > What they could do is find someone gruff and well built and feral-seeming, 
> > and computer edit them like is being done for the Hobbits in the upcoming 
> > Lord of the Rings.  Just make sure they aren't a known actor (seeing 
> > stallone shrunk like that would be jarring and odd, for example, even 
> > though I think he could do the job very well). 
>      I can see it now... 
>      "Yo, Pippin!" 
 
Aaaaaugh!  I can't belive I'm adding to this thread.  I have to say this 
though, since no one has mentioned it yet:  Danny DeVito,  he's short, he's 
gruff, he's thickly built, he can act.  Sammo Hung can be his stand in for 
the fight scenes. 
 
OK. I'll go back to designing my Sloggoth Elite troopers now. 
 
 
- --  
__ 
Miq Millman   miq@teleport.com   
Tualatin, OR 
 
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Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 12:22:59 -0800 
From: "Filksinger" <filksinger@usa.net> 
Subject: Re: X Men movie 
 
From: miq@teleport.com <miq@teleport.com> 
 
 
 
<snip> 
>Aaaaaugh!  I can't belive I'm adding to this thread.  I have to say this 
>though, since no one has mentioned it yet:  Danny DeVito,  he's short, he's 
>gruff, he's thickly built, he can act.  Sammo Hung can be his stand in for 
>the fight scenes. 
 
 
Thickly built and muscular are two different things. Whoever plays Wolverine 
should be built. 
 
Which leads to a built, short, but definitely not obvious possibility who 
_may_ be able to do it (but get a good screen-test first). 
 
Rick Morranis. Who is a bodybuilder, and quite well muscled. 
 
Filksinger 
 
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Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 14:47:47 -0600 (Central Standard Time) 
From: Tim Gilberg <gilberg@ou.edu> 
Subject: Re: X-Men Movie 
 
> > [5] Team of the month: Grab whomever the hottest and sexiest 6 or 8 
> > characters from any of the X-titles,... 
>  
>    This sems to be the most popular way Hollywood has turning comics 
> into movies; take one or two central elements of the comic, then screw 
> everything else up as much as possible. 
 
	True, but in this case we have a popular model to work with. 
 
	Look at the cartoon and use that to decide how they will set up 
the team--most of the members of the team from the cartoon will make it, 
with maybe one or two others. 
 
 
					-Tim Gilberg 
			-"English Majors of the World!  Untie!" 
 
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Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 15:50:37 -0500 
From: "Scott C. Nolan" <nolan@erols.com> 
Subject: Re: X Men movie 
 
At 12:22 PM 3/6/99 -0800, Filksinger wrote: 
>>Aaaaaugh!  I can't belive I'm adding to this thread.  I have to say this 
>>though, since no one has mentioned it yet:  Danny DeVito,  he's short, he's 
>>gruff, he's thickly built, he can act.  Sammo Hung can be his stand in for 
>>the fight scenes. 
> 
> 
>Thickly built and muscular are two different things. Whoever plays Wolverine 
>should be built. 
> 
>Which leads to a built, short, but definitely not obvious possibility who 
>_may_ be able to do it (but get a good screen-test first). 
> 
>Rick Morranis. Who is a bodybuilder, and quite well muscled. 
 
Rick "I am the Keymaster" Moranis?   Hee hee hee hee...snort.  That's a joke, 
right?  Rick, "Strange Brew" Moranis.  C'mon! 
 
Why not Mel Gibson?  He's about four feet tall.  :-) 
 
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Date: Sat, 06 Mar 99 22:23:27  
From: "qts" <qts@nildram.co.uk> 
Subject: Re: it's all about defense 
 
On Fri, 26 Feb 1999 18:18:57 -0500, Dave Mattingly wrote: 
 
>What if magical and normal defenses didn't stack? That way, the first 20 
>points or so of a spell would just be catching up to what's already there. 
 
And you could require KS: Defensive Magic (DEF+10)- or whatever. 
qts 
 
Home: qts@nildram.co.uk. 
 
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Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 14:48:57 -0800 
 
From: Christopher Taylor <ctaylor@viser.net> 
Subject: Re: X Men movie 
 
>Why not Mel Gibson?  He's about four feet tall.  :-) 
 
Well that is an exaggeration but he could do the part rather well I think. 
They would have to tone down his natural goofiness, tell him to do his most 
soul wrenching stuff, plus add that slightly lunatic edge, but not in the 
Daffy Duck way he is in Lethal Weapon  
 
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Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 15:21:04 -0800 
From: "Capt. Spith" <cptspith@teleport.com> 
Subject: Re: X-Men Movie 
 
Tim Gilberg wrote: 
 
> >    This sems to be the most popular way Hollywood has turning comics 
> > into movies; take one or two central elements of the comic, then screw 
> > everything else up as much as possible. 
>  
>         True, but in this case we have a popular model to work with. 
>  
>         Look at the cartoon and use that to decide how they will set up 
> the team--most of the members of the team from the cartoon will make it, 
> with maybe one or two others. 
 
   Yes, but I'm also quite unsatisfied with the cartoon lineup.  They 
just screwed some things up for Hollywood, already.  This takes some of 
the screw-up burden off the moviemakers' shoulders... 
 
 
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  -Reverend Spith 
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    We look at stuff and we make stuff up.  That's it.  That's science." 
 
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