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champ-l-digest Monday, March 22 1999 Volume 01 : Number 243
In this issue:
Re: WANTED: Power Ring--Cheap (Simulating Power Construct)
Re: Desolid Martial Artist
Re: Multiple Heads
Re: WANTED: Power Ring--Cheap (Simulating Power Construct)
Re: Desolid Martial Artist
Re: Desolid Martial Artist
Re: Desolid Martial Artist
Re: WANTED: Power Ring--Cheap (Simulating Power Construct)
Re: WANTED: Power Ring--Cheap (Simulating Power Construct)
Re: WANTED: Power Ring--Cheap (Simulating Power Construct)
Re: WANTED: Power Ring--Cheap (Simulating Power Construct)
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Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 06:52:40 -0800
From: Bob Greenwade <bob.greenwade@klock.com>
Subject: Re: WANTED: Power Ring--Cheap (Simulating Power Construct)
At 06:19 PM 3/20/1999 -0600, Michael (Damon) & Peni Griffin wrote:
>At 12:23 PM 3/20/1999 -0800, Bob Greenwade wrote:
>>At 09:19 AM 3/20/1999 -0500, Jason Sullivan wrote:
>>>WANTED: Power Ring--Cheap.
>>> Green Lantern style Power Ring construct wanted at affordable
>>>starting SuperHero prices. Economy and flexibility a must. Various power
>>>constructs welcome. Will consider many and keep options open. Best
>>>offer or under 150 Real Points.
>>
>> I'd just make it a Cosmic VPP (that is, VPP with No Skill Required and
>>No Time to Change), OIF. That'll give you a 75-point pool (if my math is
>>right) for 150 real points.
>
>If your math is right, that answers the economy part of the request. But a
>GL-style Power Ring has other features, many of which are Limitations, but
>some of which will add to the cost of the thing:
Well, what as asked for was a GL-*style* power ring, not the real McCoy.
But since you're listing them off....
>* Doesn't affect anything colored yellow.
Simple -1/2 Limitation. (Normally I'd call it -1/4, but GL seems to run
into yellow stuff an awful lot, or at least he did back when I was reading
the book -- which, I'll admit, was way back when Hal Jordan had the ring.)
>* Must be recharged every 24 hours; requires the recitation of an oath and
>the presence of a Power Battery to do this.
I once tried building a new Limitation to simulate this, along with
Johnny Quick's spoken formula, Hourman's miraclo pill, and a handful of
other heroes' time-related limitations. It was such a disaster that I'm
not even going to try to share it with you here.
Instead, I'd just call it -1/4.
>* Operation of the VPP is EGO-based (anyone with a strong enough Will can
>use it).
*Anyone*? Aren't honesty and fearlessness requirements?
In any event, I'd just call this a variation of Universal Focus.
>* The ring provides [Persistent] Life Support.
Does the LS operate independently of the owner's will, and/or the
required periodic recharge? If so, I'd make this a separate Power; if not,
I'd just make it one of the things in the VPP.
>* Onboard AI. The ring can be given instructions -- and indeed comes
>preprogrammed with a set of instructions -- enabling it to act on its own
>to a limited extent, and carry out the will of its owner (or of the Oans,
>in the case of the preprogrammed instructions).
>
>The ring is capable, under its own power and without a wearer, of Flight
>and Invisibility, and has access to a range of Senses/Detects including
>Detect Worthy Ringbearer (Being Without Fear). Rather than give the ring a
>host of Powers outside the VPP that the GL has access to, it's probably
>simpler just to give the ring access to that same VPP. This would make the
>VPP more expensive, though.
On the other hand, we've just saved some more points by adding -3/4 in
Limitations, so the saved points can go toward building that AI, along with
any Skills it might have. In fact, one might even be able to do that *and*
increase the size of the VPP.
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Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 11:19:10 -0500
From: "Dave Mattingly" <dave@haymaker.win.net>
Subject: Re: Desolid Martial Artist
>If a martial artist has Desolidification, does he need Affects Real
>World on his Martial Arts, or will ARW on his STR suffice?
I'd just let the ARW STR do the trick. Martial Arts is a skill, after all.
Lockpicking or Mechanics wouldn't need to be bought ARW is the STR already
was, so I don't see any reason to charge extra just for ARW MA.
After all, there are Powers that can be used without ARW: Images, Flash, PRE
Attacks, etc.
Dave Mattingly
http://haymaker.org
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Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 11:25:15 -0500
From: "Dave Mattingly" <dave@haymaker.win.net>
Subject: Re: Multiple Heads
My take on this, depending on exactly what you want it to do, is at
http://www.haymaker.org/haym07c.html. Besides the extra SPD and 360 Vision
(on an Activation roll equal to PER roll) that has already been mentioned, I
also bought Flash Defense and Mental Defense (with reasons given on the
webpage). There's even a sample two-headed character at
http://www.haymaker.org/haym07e.html.
Dave Mattingly
http://haymaker.org
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Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 10:34:02 -0600
From: "Michael (Damon) & Peni Griffin" <griffin@txdirect.net>
Subject: Re: WANTED: Power Ring--Cheap (Simulating Power Construct)
At 06:52 AM 3/21/1999 -0800, Bob Greenwade wrote:
>>If your math is right, that answers the economy part of the request. But a
>>GL-style Power Ring has other features, many of which are Limitations, but
>>some of which will add to the cost of the thing:
>
> Well, what as asked for was a GL-*style* power ring, not the real McCoy.
> But since you're listing them off....
>
>>* Doesn't affect anything colored yellow.
>
> Simple -1/2 Limitation. (Normally I'd call it -1/4, but GL seems to run
>into yellow stuff an awful lot, or at least he did back when I was reading
>the book -- which, I'll admit, was way back when Hal Jordan had the ring.)
Well, of course Hal Jordan is the One True Green Lantern, whatever Guy
Gardner used to say to the contrary. :)
>
>>* Operation of the VPP is EGO-based (anyone with a strong enough Will can
>>use it).
>
> *Anyone*? Aren't honesty and fearlessness requirements?
One would like to believe those are requirements for being a GL, but AKAIK
they are not requirements for making the ring function. Sinestro had one
once upon a time, and I don't know if he's a particularly honest fellow.
Fearless, I'll grant.
>>* The ring provides [Persistent] Life Support.
>
> Does the LS operate independently of the owner's will, and/or the
>required periodic recharge? If so, I'd make this a separate Power; if not,
>I'd just make it one of the things in the VPP.
Yes, the LS operates independently, protecting the wearer quite
automatically. This function of the ring is also (thankfully) not subject
to the 24-hour recharge limitation; Hal Jordan was provided with LS more
than once after his time had run out.
> On the other hand, we've just saved some more points by adding -3/4 in
>Limitations, so the saved points can go toward building that AI, along with
>any Skills it might have. In fact, one might even be able to do that *and*
>increase the size of the VPP.
True enough.
Damon
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Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 08:42:47 -0800
From: Christopher Taylor <ctaylor@viser.net>
Subject: Re: Desolid Martial Artist
At 11:19 AM 3/21/99 -0500, Dave Mattingly wrote:
>>If a martial artist has Desolidification, does he need Affects Real
>>World on his Martial Arts, or will ARW on his STR suffice?
>
>
>I'd just let the ARW STR do the trick. Martial Arts is a skill, after all.
>Lockpicking or Mechanics wouldn't need to be bought ARW is the STR already
>was, so I don't see any reason to charge extra just for ARW MA.
>
>After all, there are Powers that can be used without ARW: Images, Flash, PRE
>Attacks, etc.
I've never played it so that flash affects real world, that requires the
advantage for me... Presence attacks do though (ghosts!) and images of
course, although both are clearly from a desolid source, and thus have
limited flexibility.
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Sola Gracia Sola Scriptura Sola Fide
Soli Gloria Deo Solus Christus Corum Deo
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Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 12:23:44 -0500
From: werther@hilander.com (...jason schneiderman...)
Subject: Re: Desolid Martial Artist
At 11:19 AM 3/21/99, Dave Mattingly wrote:
>After all, there are Powers that can be used without ARW: Images, Flash, PRE
>Attacks, etc.
No kidding? You wouldn't happen to have a *list* of those powers, would you?
yours, who enjoys desolid characters much
Jason
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Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 12:42:50 -0500
From: "Dave Mattingly" <dave@haymaker.win.net>
Subject: Re: Desolid Martial Artist
>>After all, there are Powers that can be used without ARW: Images, Flash,
PRE
>>Attacks, etc.
>
>No kidding? You wouldn't happen to have a *list* of those powers, would
you?
Well, that's pretty much it. Darkness, too. Maybe Change Environment, but
that's iffy.
Dave Mattingly
http://haymaker.org
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Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 09:46:57 -0800
From: Christopher Taylor <ctaylor@viser.net>
Subject: Re: WANTED: Power Ring--Cheap (Simulating Power Construct)
>>>If your math is right, that answers the economy part of the request. But a
>>>GL-style Power Ring has other features, many of which are Limitations, but
>>>some of which will add to the cost of the thing:
>>
>> Well, what as asked for was a GL-*style* power ring, not the real McCoy.
>> But since you're listing them off....
>>
>>>* Doesn't affect anything colored yellow.
>>
>> Simple -1/2 Limitation. (Normally I'd call it -1/4, but GL seems to run
>>into yellow stuff an awful lot, or at least he did back when I was reading
>>the book -- which, I'll admit, was way back when Hal Jordan had the ring.)
>
>Well, of course Hal Jordan is the One True Green Lantern, whatever Guy
>Gardner used to say to the contrary. :)
>
>>
>>>* Operation of the VPP is EGO-based (anyone with a strong enough Will can
>>>use it).
>>
>> *Anyone*? Aren't honesty and fearlessness requirements?
No anyone could use it but it couldnt be taken off a conscious GL's finger.
The Yellow flaw and universal nature of the ring has been negated by the
new Green Lantern, who is actually really cool if you would read him and
give the boring, unimaginitive Hal a rest.
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Sola Gracia Sola Scriptura Sola Fide
Soli Gloria Deo Solus Christus Corum Deo
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Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 13:35:22 -0500
From: "Marc" <games@nassau.cv.net>
Subject: Re: WANTED: Power Ring--Cheap (Simulating Power Construct)
- -----Original Message-----
From: Bob Greenwade <bob.greenwade@klock.com>
To: champ-l@sysabend.org <champ-l@sysabend.org>
Date: Sunday, March 21, 1999 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: WANTED: Power Ring--Cheap (Simulating Power Construct)
>At 06:19 PM 3/20/1999 -0600, Michael (Damon) & Peni Griffin wrote:
>>At 12:23 PM 3/20/1999 -0800, Bob Greenwade wrote:
>>>At 09:19 AM 3/20/1999 -0500, Jason Sullivan wrote:
>>>>WANTED: Power Ring--Cheap.
>>>> Green Lantern style Power Ring construct wanted at affordable
>>>>starting SuperHero prices. Economy and flexibility a must. Various
power
>>>>constructs welcome. Will consider many and keep options open. Best
>>>>offer or under 150 Real Points.
>>>
>>> I'd just make it a Cosmic VPP (that is, VPP with No Skill Required and
>>>No Time to Change), OIF. That'll give you a 75-point pool (if my math is
>>>right) for 150 real points.
>>
>>If your math is right, that answers the economy part of the request. But
a
>>GL-style Power Ring has other features, many of which are Limitations, but
>>some of which will add to the cost of the thing:
>
> Well, what as asked for was a GL-*style* power ring, not the real McCoy.
> But since you're listing them off....
>
>>* Doesn't affect anything colored yellow.
>
> Simple -1/2 Limitation. (Normally I'd call it -1/4, but GL seems to run
>into yellow stuff an awful lot, or at least he did back when I was reading
>the book -- which, I'll admit, was way back when Hal Jordan had the ring.)
>
>>* Must be recharged every 24 hours; requires the recitation of an oath and
>>the presence of a Power Battery to do this.
>
> I once tried building a new Limitation to simulate this, along with
>Johnny Quick's spoken formula, Hourman's miraclo pill, and a handful of
>other heroes' time-related limitations. It was such a disaster that I'm
>not even going to try to share it with you here.
> Instead, I'd just call it -1/4.
>
>>* Operation of the VPP is EGO-based (anyone with a strong enough Will can
>>use it).
>
> *Anyone*? Aren't honesty and fearlessness requirements?
> In any event, I'd just call this a variation of Universal Focus.
>
>>* The ring provides [Persistent] Life Support.
>
> Does the LS operate independently of the owner's will, and/or the
>required periodic recharge? If so, I'd make this a separate Power; if not,
>I'd just make it one of the things in the VPP.
OR. Make life support a separate power of the ring. Give it one
recoverable charge. (recovered by recharging the ring.) Life suport is
0END and persistant by default. The one charge will last till the wearer
turns it off.
>
>>* Onboard AI. The ring can be given instructions -- and indeed comes
>>preprogrammed with a set of instructions -- enabling it to act on its own
>>to a limited extent, and carry out the will of its owner (or of the Oans,
>>in the case of the preprogrammed instructions).
>>
>>The ring is capable, under its own power and without a wearer, of Flight
>>and Invisibility, and has access to a range of Senses/Detects including
>>Detect Worthy Ringbearer (Being Without Fear). Rather than give the ring
a
>>host of Powers outside the VPP that the GL has access to, it's probably
>>simpler just to give the ring access to that same VPP. This would make
the
>>VPP more expensive, though.
>
> On the other hand, we've just saved some more points by adding -3/4 in
>Limitations, so the saved points can go toward building that AI, along with
>any Skills it might have. In fact, one might even be able to do that *and*
>increase the size of the VPP.
>---
>Bob's Original Hero Stuff Page! [Circle of HEROS member]
> http://www.klock.com/public/users/bob.greenwade/original.htm
>Merry-Go-Round Webring -- wanna join?
> http://www.klock.com/public/users/bob.greenwade/merrhome.htm
>
>
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Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 12:38:31 -0600
From: "Michael (Damon) & Peni Griffin" <griffin@txdirect.net>
Subject: Re: WANTED: Power Ring--Cheap (Simulating Power Construct)
At 09:46 AM 3/21/1999 -0800, Christopher Taylor wrote:
>No anyone could use it but it couldnt be taken off a conscious GL's finger.
> The Yellow flaw and universal nature of the ring has been negated by the
>new Green Lantern, who is actually really cool if you would read him and
>give the boring, unimaginitive Hal a rest.
Let's keep this friendly, shall we? If there *is* a place where comic-book
hero-bashing is appropriate, this isn't it. I have no objection to Kyle
Raynor as such; my problem is strictly with the way DC treated Hal Jordan
when they decided it was time to pass the mantle. Turning a longtime
heroic figure into a homicidal lunatic who murders several of his
comadrades in arms en route to Oa to revenge himself on the Guardians for
refusing to "resurrect" Coast City...very bad form, that. It was enough to
stop my reading of that title cold, and it had nothing to do with the new
guy. After all, in Jordan's day, there were other GLs all over the
place...as many as seven at a time on Earth alone, IIRC.
I saw "In Brightest Day..." this morning, the introduction of Green Lantern
to the WB Superman cartoon universe. Retconning out the wazoo, of course,
but I think this version of Kyle Raynor as GL is okay, and there were
several polite nods to the "Hal Jordan era" as well. I hope to see more of
him in future episodes.
Damon
Alternate GL of Sector 78201
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Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 14:33:51 -0500
From: "Corey Spillis" <cybergod@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: WANTED: Power Ring--Cheap (Simulating Power Construct)
- -----Original Message-----
From: Michael (Damon) & Peni Griffin <griffin@txdirect.net>
To: champ-l@sysabend.org <champ-l@sysabend.org>
Date: Sunday, March 21, 1999 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: WANTED: Power Ring--Cheap (Simulating Power Construct)
>Let's keep this friendly, shall we? If there *is* a place where comic-book
>hero-bashing is appropriate, this isn't it. I have no objection to Kyle
>Raynor as such; my problem is strictly with the way DC treated Hal Jordan
>when they decided it was time to pass the mantle. Turning a longtime
>heroic figure into a homicidal lunatic who murders several of his
>comadrades in arms en route to Oa to revenge himself on the Guardians for
>refusing to "resurrect" Coast City...very bad form, that. It was enough to
>stop my reading of that title cold, and it had nothing to do with the new
>guy. After all, in Jordan's day, there were other GLs all over the
>place...as many as seven at a time on Earth alone, IIRC.
Then you missed Hal's redemption in the Final Night crossover. He passed
completely out of the DC Universe the way he truly deserved....A Hero.
Restarted the sun and saved everyone. Not to mention Kyle travelled back
in time and not only confronted Hal as Parallax, but met a younger Hal as GL
who gave him a copy of his ring. In case you've forgotten (also for the
ring
power list) the power rings can duplicate themselves so as to allow the
corps
to grow. Jade is currently acting GL of Earth.
>I saw "In Brightest Day..." this morning, the introduction of Green Lantern
>to the WB Superman cartoon universe. Retconning out the wazoo, of course,
>but I think this version of Kyle Raynor as GL is okay, and there were
>several polite nods to the "Hal Jordan era" as well. I hope to see more of
>him in future episodes.
>
>Damon
>Alternate GL of Sector 78201
Corey Spillis
GL Corps Administraion HQ
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Date: 21 Mar 99 16:13:05 MST
From: ANTHONY VARGAS <anthony.vargas@usa.net>
Subject: Re: [Re: WANTED: Power Ring--Cheap (Simulating Power Construct)]
arcus@webtv.net (chrisopher spoor) wrote:
> 250 pt charecter with virtually no stats, and lots of physical limits
> and either a follower, or a dependent, to represent a wearer. =A0 [:8)
> =
Nah, the wearer is a focus that provides the stats and buys of the =
physical lims. =
Rings that are serious powergamers take thier wearers as indistructable
foci...
(sorry couln't resist... reminded me of the D&D game - must be the
gamer equivalent of an Uban Legend - where all the PCs were intelligent
swords or artifacts, controlling whatever poor schmuck picked them
up and forcing them to go on the adventure...("Damn!, I got an orc,
/again/...")).
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Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 16:08:41 -0800
From: Bob Greenwade <bob.greenwade@klock.com>
Subject: Re: WANTED: Power Ring--Cheap (Simulating Power Construct)
At 10:34 AM 3/21/1999 -0600, Michael (Damon) & Peni Griffin wrote:
>At 06:52 AM 3/21/1999 -0800, Bob Greenwade wrote:
>>>If your math is right, that answers the economy part of the request. But a
>>>GL-style Power Ring has other features, many of which are Limitations, but
>>>some of which will add to the cost of the thing:
>>
>> Well, what as asked for was a GL-*style* power ring, not the real McCoy.
>> But since you're listing them off....
>>
>>>* Doesn't affect anything colored yellow.
>>
>> Simple -1/2 Limitation. (Normally I'd call it -1/4, but GL seems to run
>>into yellow stuff an awful lot, or at least he did back when I was reading
>>the book -- which, I'll admit, was way back when Hal Jordan had the ring.)
>
>Well, of course Hal Jordan is the One True Green Lantern, whatever Guy
>Gardner used to say to the contrary. :)
Or Kyle Raynor.... Or a couple others, the latest of which is Jade....
:-]
And of course, to some of the truly elder comic fans, the One True Green
Lantern is that guy in the red shirt.
>>>* Operation of the VPP is EGO-based (anyone with a strong enough Will can
>>>use it).
>>
>> *Anyone*? Aren't honesty and fearlessness requirements?
>
>One would like to believe those are requirements for being a GL, but AKAIK
>they are not requirements for making the ring function. Sinestro had one
>once upon a time, and I don't know if he's a particularly honest fellow.
>Fearless, I'll grant.
There is that, though people do change over time.
>Yes, the LS operates independently, protecting the wearer quite
>automatically. This function of the ring is also (thankfully) not subject
>to the 24-hour recharge limitation; Hal Jordan was provided with LS more
>than once after his time had run out.
Ah, OK. (Lucky for him!)
- ---
Bob's Original Hero Stuff Page! [Circle of HEROS member]
http://www.klock.com/public/users/bob.greenwade/original.htm
Merry-Go-Round Webring -- wanna join?
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Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 17:12:07 -0800
From: Christopher Taylor <ctaylor@viser.net>
Subject: Re: WANTED: Power Ring--Cheap (Simulating Power Construct)
> And of course, to some of the truly elder comic fans, the One True Green
>Lantern is that guy in the red shirt.
Heck yeah I like him still (even with his green fire powers). Sentinel was
a great character, very spooky and mystical, the magic ring idea appeals to
me a lot more than the lil blue guy legions, and his ring was more
interesting to read about and to write up.
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 12:14:18 +1100
From: Hamish Laws <h_laws@postoffice.utas.edu.au>
Subject: Re: WANTED: Power Ring--Cheap (Simulating Power Construct)
At 04:08 PM 3/21/99 -0800, Bob Greenwade wrote:
>At 10:34 AM 3/21/1999 -0600, Michael (Damon) & Peni Griffin wrote:
>>At 06:52 AM 3/21/1999 -0800, Bob Greenwade wrote:
>>>>* Operation of the VPP is EGO-based (anyone with a strong enough Will can
>>>>use it).
>>>
>>> *Anyone*? Aren't honesty and fearlessness requirements?
>>
>>One would like to believe those are requirements for being a GL, but AKAIK
>>they are not requirements for making the ring function. Sinestro had one
>>once upon a time, and I don't know if he's a particularly honest fellow.
>>Fearless, I'll grant.
>
> There is that, though people do change over time.
Another example was the ring being stolen by an alien who killed green
lanterns and attacked superman with it. This is back in 83 or so.
He wasn't fearless and he definately wasn't honest.
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From: Todd Hanson <badtodd@home.com>
Subject: Re: Find Out What The Future Holds For You?
Did the entire list get spammed with this too? It appears to have been routed through sysabend.org.
John? Is there anyway to stop these people from using the list as a target for their spam?
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Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 20:49:15 -0800 (PST)
From: shaw@caprica.com (Wayne Shaw)
Subject: Re: Find Out What The Future Holds For You?
>Did the entire list get spammed with this too? It appears to have been
routed through sysabend.org.
>
>John? Is there anyway to stop these people from using the list as a target
for their spam?
I didn't even notice where it came from (i pretty much reflexively delete
spam) but yes, it got launched at me too.
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 01:14:44 -0500
From: "Scott C. Nolan" <nolan@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Find Out What The Future Holds For You?
At 08:49 PM 3/21/99 -0800, Wayne Shaw wrote:
>>Did the entire list get spammed with this too? It appears to have been
>routed through sysabend.org.
>>
>>John? Is there anyway to stop these people from using the list as a target
>for their spam?
>
>I didn't even notice where it came from (i pretty much reflexively delete
>spam) but yes, it got launched at me too.
I thought it pretty hilarious that the last line advocated an anti-spam bill
in Congress.
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Date: Sun, 21 Mar 99 22:45:12 Pacific Standard Time
From: Silvia_Brown8@gte.net
Subject: Find Out What The Future Holds For You?
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has reached you in error, please disregard it and accept our apoligies. To be
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Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 03:17:15 -0600
From: "Michael" <mlnunn@blue.net>
Subject: RFP Web Site has Character Sheets
The new and improved Rising Force Publications site now has a Character
Write-up section. Currently we only have a hand full of our characters
posted, but we are working on getting even more ready. Our plan is to
include a download area with Heromaker, and Creation Workshop files of most
of the characters that have appeared in Herozine as well as our other
publications.
Check 'em out, drop me a line and tell me what you think of the lay out, and
the characters. Also let me know which way you would rather see the
characters.
Most of all enjoy...
Michael Nunn
Editor
RFP
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Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 04:09:49 -0600
From: "Michael" <mlnunn@blue.net>
Subject: RFP Web Site has Character Sheets
and the URL is?
Oops... http://fly.to/RFP
Sorry..
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 07:16:00 -0500
From: Michael Surbrook <susano@otd.com>
Subject: Re: Something to crow about!
"Johnson, Adam" wrote:
>
> Let's not forget your write-ups on Rally, Minnie May,
>Goldie, Bean, and company in the letters pages of Gunsmith
>Cats. Good work on those. It was those write-ups that pointed
>me to your web page in the first place.
Thanks. May I also point out that I had a number of character sheets
printed in "Blade of the Immortal".
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 08:08:57 -0500
From: "Berengiere" <beren@voyager.net>
Subject: Re: Find Out What The Future Holds For You?
>Did the entire list get spammed with this too? It appears to have been
routed through sysabend.org.
>
>John? Is there anyway to stop these people from using the list as a target
for their spam?
<<I didn't even notice where it came from (i pretty much reflexively delete
spam) but yes, it got launched at me too.>>
I've reported the spam to the host of the email account, so there's a good
chance that the person will lose it. If anyone else wants to
report/complain, the address to send it to is abuse@gte.net . For those of
you who haven't experienced the joy of reporting a spammer :), you need to
forward the entire message, along with what's called the "message source",
which you should be able to get by looking at the properties of the email
message. Paste the message source into the beginning of the message, and
send it to abuse@isp.company. If it bounces, you need to resend it to
postmaster@isp.company.
Lisa Hartjes
Lead Developer, The Crimson Covenant
beren@unforgettable.com
http://roswell.fortunecity.com/daniken/79
or http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/daniken/79
ICQ: Berengiere (9062561)
If the GM smiles, run. If she laughs, it's too late...
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:28:31 GMT
From: samael@clark.net (Acid Rainbow)
Subject: Re: Find Out What The Future Holds For You?
On Mon, 22 Mar 1999 08:08:57 -0500, "Berengiere" <beren@voyager.net> sent
these symbols into the net:
>I've reported the spam to the host of the email account, so there's a =
good
>chance that the person will lose it. If anyone else wants to
>report/complain, the address to send it to is abuse@gte.net . For those=
of
>you who haven't experienced the joy of reporting a spammer :), you need =
to
>forward the entire message, along with what's called the "message =
source",
>which you should be able to get by looking at the properties of the =
email
>message. Paste the message source into the beginning of the message, =
and
>send it to abuse@isp.company. If it bounces, you need to resend it to
>postmaster@isp.company.
Once again, according to the headers (which I quote below) there's no
evidence that the spam came from gte.net, and is either an attempt to
deflect complaints or what's called a 'revenge-spam' where the spammer
tries to frame a person or ISP he (there aren't any known female =
spammers,
IIRC.) doesn't like.
>Received: from mail.wa.freei.net (Mail1.Wa.FreeI.Net [209.162.144.3])
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That's the mail-server for freei.net which sent the spam to the champ-l
server below.
> by beelzebubba.sysabend.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1A2A3FCE
> for <champ-l@sysabend.org&> Mon, 22 Mar 1999 02:29:14 -0500 (EST)
>Received: from 209.162.150.235 (dial235.Block3.trm2.FreeI.Net =
[209.162.150.235])
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Now that's obviously a dial-up connection, which is typical for spammers,
and the probable origin for the spam.=09
> by mail.wa.freei.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA63030;
> Sun, 21 Mar 1999 23:17:14 -0800 (PST)
Please, do *not* complain to gte.net except to warn them that the
Silvia_Brown*@gte.net is being used to deflect complaints or as a form of
harrassment.
Complaints should be directed to abuse and/or postmaster@freei.net and
http://www.wa.gov/ago/junkemail/ since freei.net is located in Washington
state.
**********************************************************************
*Lissajous patterns and windmills and don't ask about the connection.*
* Acid Rainbow: Semi-professional windmill-tilter. *
**********************************************************************
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 06:18:15 -0800
From: Bob Greenwade <bob.greenwade@klock.com>
Subject: Re: Find Out What The Future Holds For You?
At 08:49 PM 3/21/1999 -0800, Wayne Shaw wrote:
>>Did the entire list get spammed with this too? It appears to have been
>routed through sysabend.org.
>>
>>John? Is there anyway to stop these people from using the list as a target
>for their spam?
>
>I didn't even notice where it came from (i pretty much reflexively delete
>spam) but yes, it got launched at me too.
While Lisa and others are writing to the Abuse reporting address, I've
whipped off a response to the original sender pointing out that the
inability to foresee the hostile response caused by posting these ads to
the list demonstrates that her service is an obvious crock.
- ---
Bob's Original Hero Stuff Page! [Circle of HEROS member]
http://www.klock.com/public/users/bob.greenwade/original.htm
Merry-Go-Round Webring -- wanna join?
http://www.klock.com/public/users/bob.greenwade/merrhome.htm
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 10:00:17 -0500
From: Geoff Speare <geoff@igcn.com>
Subject: Re: The Little HERO That Could (Powers Dependent on Powers; Scale)
> There was once a hero who had Running 30", with the SFX of
>"Wheels", Only In Hero ID (-1/4).
> He also had a power construct that was dependent upon the Running
>to function. He didn't take Linked mind you... (heavens no!), but rather
>stated that the power had a Limitation: Scaled (-1/4) by Active Points,
>which would let him use equivalent Active Points of HKA 4d6, with the SFX
>of "Extremely Deadly Concussive Force."
I would answer either:
1) The HKA can be used with any Running, including his innate 6", and thus
doesn't get the OHID limitation, or
2) The HKA can only be used with the special Running, is therefore only
usable in Hero ID, and therefore should get the OHID limitation.
Geoff Speare
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