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champ-l-digest Wednesday, April 7 1999 Volume 01 : Number 266
In this issue:
Re: Equipment from Doom & Doom II
Re: Equipment from Doom & Doom II
Re: Archetype Clone Force, Attack!!! - Oops
Ambitious "new" Project (was Archetype Clone Force, Attack!!!)
Re: Equipment from Doom & Doom II
Minatures and other Game Enhancing Props
Re: Minatures and other Game Enhancing Props
Re: Ambitious "new" Project (was Archetype Clone Force, Attack!!!)
Converting CoC Monsters to her (was: Ambitious "new" Project)
Re: Converting CoC Monsters to her (was: Ambitious "new" Project)
Re: Minatures and other Game Enhancing Props
Re: Minatures and other Game Enhancing Props
Re: Converting CoC Monsters to her (was: Ambitious "new" Project)
Re: Minatures and other Game Enhancing Props
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Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 11:15:21 -0700
From: Bob Greenwade <bob.greenwade@klock.com>
Subject: Re: Equipment from Doom & Doom II
At 12:19 PM 4/6/1999 -0400, Michael Surbrook wrote:
>A long time ago (like 2-3 years) I posted a whole slew of adaptions of the
>demons from Doom. Recently I've updated my Doom material and thus
>present:
Cool stuff, Michael. I only skimmed it, but I'm still going to archive
it for future reference.
(And here I thought you needed the chainsaw to write up some
horror-movie serial killer....) ;-]
- ---
Bob's Original Hero Stuff Page! [Circle of HEROS member]
http://www.klock.com/public/users/bob.greenwade/original.htm
Merry-Go-Round Webring -- wanna join?
http://www.klock.com/public/users/bob.greenwade/merrhome.htm
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Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 15:01:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Surbrook <susano@dedaana.otd.com>
Subject: Re: Equipment from Doom & Doom II
On Tue, 6 Apr 1999, Bob Greenwade wrote:
> At 12:19 PM 4/6/1999 -0400, Michael Surbrook wrote:
> >A long time ago (like 2-3 years) I posted a whole slew of adaptions of the
> >demons from Doom. Recently I've updated my Doom material and thus
> >present:
>
> Cool stuff, Michael. I only skimmed it, but I'm still going to archive
> it for future reference.
> (And here I thought you needed the chainsaw to write up some
> horror-movie serial killer....) ;-]
Don't tempt me.
Hmmm... maybe I could do a short Doom level as a contribution for the Con
game issue of Haymaker!?
- --
Michael Surbrook - susano@otd.com - http://www.otd.com/~susano/index.html
"Feel the sting of a Draconian stun-stick, Erf-trash!"
A jive Draconian, from the TV show _Buck Rogers in the 25th Century_
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Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 16:36:25 -0500
From: David_A._Fair@fc.mcps.k12.md.us (David A. Fair)
Subject: Re: Archetype Clone Force, Attack!!! - Oops
My apologies for the last post (and the 65K attachment); I did not
intend to send it to the list, but only to ravanos. Guess I need to pay
more attention, and type slower...
Mea Culpa,
Dave
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David A. Fair
Montgomery County Public Schools
Office of Global Access Technology
Elementary User Support Specialist
David_Fair@fc.mcps.k12.md.us
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Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 02:07:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jason Sullivan <ravanos@NJCU.edu>
Subject: Ambitious "new" Project (was Archetype Clone Force, Attack!!!)
In order to show my immediate circle of friends the glory that is
the HERO system, I want to run an adventure for them.
My project will require the following:
-1) Construction of the world, which will be a John Woo/Quentin
Tarintino Horror world in the SplatterPunk Cinema genre. (Unsure of wether
it is "Heroic" or "Superheroic").
-2) Premade adventures, typical of the genre. Clostrophobic
paranoia being the prevalent theme. Dozens of "popcorn" mooks (like
zombies), and a few "boss" characters (mutants, demons, shogoths,
vampires, evil scientific corporations, etc.), limited ammunition,
conspiracy, and creepy settings, like abondoned mansions, warehouses,
abondoned towns, cemetaries, mine shafts, etc.
-3) Premade heroes of 100 base/100 disadvantage, 200 maxium point
total. Special character generation/motivation (for "bad asses").
-4) Overall House Rules set.
-5) "Starter packs," which would include preludes, a character
sketch, personality profile, tatics, and introduction to the HERO system.
I don't want to go through a long time character generation; to
save time, in order to do this effectively, I would like to utilize:
A) A "quick" character creation system (where certain elements are chosen,
such as profession, power sets [either as a whole package or individual
sub-sets <one from A, two from B>], life paths (creation, possible
enemies, etc.)
[There were post about this a while back.]
B) An "archetype" system, where certain archetypes (from broad types like
"Domestic Town's Person", to more distinct types like "Mafioso",
"Government Agent", "Outlaw", "Parapsychologist", "Virus Researcher",
"Vagabond") can be chosen.
[For which I need to look for characters to base
this off of within the parameters, or create my own, which would require
me to seek out and label the individual archetypes with a special
nomenclature.]
C) A "bank" system, where all of the characters are premade and selected
at random, by description, or by lottery.
[For which I would need to look for compleated characters to base
this off of, get permission from their creators to use, or come up with
the individual heroes to bank.]
Any help of any kind would be welcome... especially with the
Archetypes. I'll try and post compleated characters from said archetypes
for public use on the list or to a web site once they are finished.
Advice would be nice, too.
Books that would be handy specificly for HERO that I don't have:
UMA (for Martial Arts Packages and specialized rules), Almanac 1 and 2
(just because), An Eye for an Eye (due to the dark themes and specialized
rules).
Books from other systems that would be handy: Dark Conspiracy,
Call of Cthulu, Kult, Beyond the Supernatural, GURPS Cuthulu Punk, Horror,
Black Ops, and Area 51, Necroscope, Dom't Look Back, Chill, WhisperinG
Vault, Night Life, World of Darkness.
Packages, for profession, and special signature moves
(Gunslinger: Two Gun STyle, Run and Fire, Bounce off of Walls), Genre
conventions (Mad Scientists "secret rejuvination chemical", random
Telekinetic [ala Carrie], Occult Scholar with possible Sense the
Supernatural, Government Agent or Professional {insert evil creature
here] hunter with specialized training, the "Arsenel", townie with
incredible luck who manages to survive the whole picture) would be handy.
Zombies and other beasties are a must.
Cinematic inspirations include all Tarintino and Woo (for
character types), Vampire$, Evil Dead, the Necronomicon, Night of the
Living Dead, Return of the Living Dead.
Viedo Games, like House of the Dead, Resident Evil, Beast Busters,
and countless others would also be inspiration.
Viruses, pseudo science, super gunfighters and matial artists,
unspeakable horrors, countless minions of living dead, giant snakes,
strangeness, conspiracy...
...more to come.
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Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 01:47:12 -0400
From: geoff heald <gheald@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Equipment from Doom & Doom II
At 03:01 PM 4/6/99 -0400, you wrote:
>On Tue, 6 Apr 1999, Bob Greenwade wrote:
>
>> At 12:19 PM 4/6/1999 -0400, Michael Surbrook wrote:
>> >A long time ago (like 2-3 years) I posted a whole slew of adaptions of the
>> >demons from Doom. Recently I've updated my Doom material and thus
>> >present:
>>
>> Cool stuff, Michael. I only skimmed it, but I'm still going to archive
>> it for future reference.
>> (And here I thought you needed the chainsaw to write up some
>> horror-movie serial killer....) ;-]
>
>Don't tempt me.
>
>Hmmm... maybe I could do a short Doom level as a contribution for the Con
>game issue of Haymaker!?
>
GURPS Horror provided a list of potential Psycho-Killer weapons. I still
get giggly ove "garden weasel". If you've ever seen the ads, you know it
would _hurt_. And it would be unbelievably gory. But it would take a lot
of will to KILL somebody with one.
============================
Geoff Heald
============================
Soon you will all learn to respect my power as I conquer all the world!
(Pretty ambitious, eh?)
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Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 03:28:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jason Sullivan <ravanos@NJCU.edu>
Subject: Minatures and other Game Enhancing Props
Minatures:
A while back, someone posted about using Poser 2 to create
"minatures" for game play. Lo and behold, Poser 3 came out, and a friend
of mine got it...
Here's the general scoop: customizing "alien" characters
is difficult, as is adding any sort of special attachments, additional
bumps, boots, cloaks, etc.
Over all, it's a wonderful tool.
You can paint directly on the figure's "skin map" with
dazzling results. Skin tight outfits, "drawn" designs from clip art,
tatoos, tribal scars... all this can be done. The Poser site even has new
special one week only downloads, in which they included a "super heroic"
set of poses.
Above and beyond this, animation is possible. Since the
figures are fully three dimensional, you can also have standard front/back
minatures, and tri fold minatures (60, 120, 180; common to Marvel Role
Playing Game).
Bryce 3-D can be used to add textures and backgrounds.
Check out some of my friends artwork done with Poser (pretty apprent which
is drawn and which is 3D) at:
http://www.mabelyn.com
in the Century Productions Gallery and in the Hara
section.
Also, shopping in the local Party Supply store, in the Party
Favors bin, they had a number of goodly scaled plastic animals. Mammals,
lizards, snakes, dinosaurs, and sea creatures (very, very cheap). There
were even slightly "larger" animals that could be used for "mutated"
specimins.
In a local toy chain, I found very cheap toys that could stand in
for minatures. The ever popular Army figures have store fronts and
bunkers, oil drums, and street accessories all in the approximate size, as
did one Star Wars play set. The Model Train section and Model Car section
also had a number of items that could be used for set dressing.
Of the larger action figures that could be used for "rampaging
monsters", any Jurrasic Park or Godzilla could work (my fantasy being to
get the 2 foot long Godzilla doll, re painting it, adding wings, and
during a Fantasy HERO game saying "The Great Wyrm Dragon rises from it's
lair...."). Spawn: Dark Ages sported a Dragon, as did DragonHeart.
Spawn also has an excellent source for Anime Lovers: Manga Spawn (all the
figures but OvertKill seemed to fit for the big battling robot genre...)
Die cast figures or Model Kits from Japan could probally serve the same
purpose. A three dollar set from Marvel's: Most Wanted included a team
called "Spit and Gravel." The dino of the team was good for a figure.
Resident Evil Overlord, Zombie, and Licker/Police Agent sets were going
for 3 bucks a set. Starship Troopers had some interesting bugs. Finally,
Virus's "Goliath" proved to be one of the grossest meldings of machine and
flesh I've ever seen.
On a side note, I'm trying to figure out a way to build "sets" for
hero out of things like Coffee Stirrers and Durham Putty. Keep you tuned
in.
Conseequently, would anyone know the minature "scale" ratio for
human to standard RPG minature?
Also, my mail (both of them) have been acting up lately. If
someone on this list could save me some of the incoming messages, I would
be greatly appreciative.
- -Jason
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Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 03:38:05 -0400
From: geoff heald <gheald@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Minatures and other Game Enhancing Props
At 03:28 AM 4/7/99 -0400, you wrote:
> Minatures:
> A while back, someone posted about using Poser 2 to create
>"minatures" for game play. Lo and behold, Poser 3 came out, and a friend
>of mine got it...
how would I get my hands on this?
> Conseequently, would anyone know the minature "scale" ratio for
>human to standard RPG minature?
>
I used to know this. Now, most "25mm" figures are really 30mm tall (I have
some real 25mm and they're about HO scale). A standard American is 6 feet
tall (or darned close to it), so 30mm represents 6'. 6'=1.83 meters,
183cm, or 1830mm. Roughly 1/61 scale.
============================
Geoff Heald
============================
Attention all enimies of the Rival Ninja Corporation: You will lay down
your weapons and surrender to your nearest R.N.C. representative. Failure
to do so will result in your total destruction. Thank you.
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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 08:35:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Surbrook <susano@dedaana.otd.com>
Subject: Re: Ambitious "new" Project (was Archetype Clone Force, Attack!!!)
On Wed, 7 Apr 1999, Jason Sullivan wrote:
> -1) Construction of the world, which will be a John Woo/Quentin
> Tarintino Horror world in the SplatterPunk Cinema genre. (Unsure of wether
> it is "Heroic" or "Superheroic").
Go watch "Dusk till Dawn". Taritino and Robert Rodreguiez combine to make
an excellent "Splatterpunk" film. Woo doesn't make fulms like that, he
makes what are called "Heroic Bloodshed" movies about loyalty and honor
among the police and triads.
> -2) Premade adventures, typical of the genre. Clostrophobic
> paranoia being the prevalent theme. Dozens of "popcorn" mooks (like
> zombies), and a few "boss" characters (mutants, demons, shogoths,
> vampires, evil scientific corporations, etc.), limited ammunition,
> conspiracy, and creepy settings, like abondoned mansions, warehouses,
> abondoned towns, cemetaries, mine shafts, etc.
The simplest adventure possible would be to play "Hero goes Doom II". If
you have any old D&D modules lying around (or anything with an extended
'dungeon' complex) take that map and populate it with creatures, guns and
power ups. My websit has the demons from Doom written up for Hero (you
might want to tweak them a bit) and I posted yesterday's equipment list to
the site as well.
> Books that would be handy specificly for HERO that I don't have:
> UMA (for Martial Arts Packages and specialized rules), Almanac 1 and 2
> (just because), An Eye for an Eye (due to the dark themes and specialized
> rules).
UMA has some useful rules for simulating wild martial arts. I have an
article entiled "Wuxia Hero" on my site that covers really wild martial
arts. I also post my submissions to Haymaker! to my site, including the
last issue's, which was "Fu Schticks for Champions" in which I adapted the
Fu powers from Feng Shui into Hero terms.
The Almanacs have some useful rules relating to poisons, while I4NI has
some nice alternate gunfighting rules.
> Books from other systems that would be handy: Dark Conspiracy,
> Call of Cthulu, Kult, Beyond the Supernatural, GURPS Cuthulu Punk, Horror,
> Black Ops, and Area 51, Necroscope, Dom't Look Back, Chill, WhisperinG
> Vault, Night Life, World of Darkness.
CoC translates real well into Hero. The stats can be used almost
directly and corrolate to Hero stats fairly easily.
> Packages, for profession, and special signature moves
> (Gunslinger: Two Gun STyle, Run and Fire, Bounce off of Walls), Genre
> conventions (Mad Scientists "secret rejuvination chemical", random
> Telekinetic [ala Carrie], Occult Scholar with possible Sense the
> Supernatural, Government Agent or Professional {insert evil creature
> here] hunter with specialized training, the "Arsenel", townie with
> incredible luck who manages to survive the whole picture) would be handy.
> Zombies and other beasties are a must.
Did youhappen to catch my "Hopping Vampire" post that went up recently?
> Cinematic inspirations include all Tarintino and Woo (for
> character types), Vampire$, Evil Dead, the Necronomicon, Night of the
> Living Dead, Return of the Living Dead.
>
> Viedo Games, like House of the Dead, Resident Evil, Beast Busters,
> and countless others would also be inspiration.
Doom, Quake and half-Life.
> Viruses, pseudo science, super gunfighters and matial artists,
> unspeakable horrors, countless minions of living dead, giant snakes,
> strangeness, conspiracy...
My website has (among others) a write-up for he cinematic verions of
Chow Yun-Fat, Bruce Lee and Jackie Chan. It also has Fong Sai Yuk (of HK
cinema fame) the cast of Big Trouble in Little China, and a numner of
horrors in the Silent Mobius world book. Help yourself.
- --
Michael Surbrook - susano@otd.com - http://www.otd.com/~susano/index.html
"You should not confuse your career with your life."
Dave Barry
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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 09:32:07 -0400
From: "Beren" <beren@unforgettable.com>
Subject: Converting CoC Monsters to her (was: Ambitious "new" Project)
<<CoC translates real well into Hero. The stats can be used almost
directly and corrolate to Hero stats fairly easily.>>
Yes, but that's only for the characters. Has anyone come up with conversion
info for the monsters?
Lisa Hartjes
beren@unforgettable.com
http://roswell.fortunecity.com/daniken/79
or http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/daniken/79
ICQ: Berengiere (9062561)
If the GM smiles, run. If she laughs, it's too late...
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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 09:21:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Surbrook <susano@dedaana.otd.com>
Subject: Re: Converting CoC Monsters to her (was: Ambitious "new" Project)
On Wed, 7 Apr 1999, Beren wrote:
> <<CoC translates real well into Hero. The stats can be used almost
> directly and corrolate to Hero stats fairly easily.>>
>
> Yes, but that's only for the characters. Has anyone come up with conversion
> info for the monsters?
Well, for many monsters you can translate the numbers over almost
directly. The Body (or Hit Points) get a bit high, but in general the
STR, CON and DEX scores work well. Sure, Cthuhlu ends up with a 120 STR,
but is that all that far off?
I will be attemtping to adapt a Flying Polyp sometime soon, I'll let you
know how it goes.
- --
Michael Surbrook - susano@otd.com - http://www.otd.com/~susano/index.html
"You should not confuse your career with your life."
Dave Barry
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Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 06:47:45 -0700
From: Bob Greenwade <bob.greenwade@klock.com>
Subject: Re: Minatures and other Game Enhancing Props
At 03:28 AM 4/7/1999 -0400, Jason Sullivan wrote:
> Above and beyond this, animation is possible. Since the
>figures are fully three dimensional, you can also have standard front/back
>minatures, and tri fold minatures (60, 120, 180; common to Marvel Role
>Playing Game).
Mostly out of curiosity, what do you mean here by "60, 120, 180"?
> Bryce 3-D can be used to add textures and backgrounds.
>Check out some of my friends artwork done with Poser (pretty apprent which
>is drawn and which is 3D) at:
> http://www.mabelyn.com
> in the Century Productions Gallery and in the Hara
>section.
I'll want to go take a look at this. I've likewise seen Poser 3 in the
stores, and have been fascinated by its possibilities (though also put off
by its limitations as far as building new forms, as well as its cost).
> Conseequently, would anyone know the minature "scale" ratio for
>human to standard RPG minature?
For 25mm, which is the usual scale, use a 72:1 scale.
If the less common 15mm is your preference, use 120:1 instead.
- ---
Bob's Original Hero Stuff Page! [Circle of HEROS member]
http://www.klock.com/public/users/bob.greenwade/original.htm
Merry-Go-Round Webring -- wanna join?
http://www.klock.com/public/users/bob.greenwade/merrhome.htm
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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 10:21:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Surbrook <susano@dedaana.otd.com>
Subject: Re: Minatures and other Game Enhancing Props
On Wed, 7 Apr 1999, Bob Greenwade wrote:
> At 03:28 AM 4/7/1999 -0400, Jason Sullivan wrote:
> > Above and beyond this, animation is possible. Since the
> >figures are fully three dimensional, you can also have standard front/back
> >minatures, and tri fold minatures (60, 120, 180; common to Marvel Role
> >Playing Game).
>
> Mostly out of curiosity, what do you mean here by "60, 120, 180"?
I think 60 degree view, 120 degree, 180 degree etc. SJG and Hero
Cardboard Heroes figs are flat front and back view. Marvel made some
3-sided figures that (IMO) didn't look all that great.
- --
Michael Surbrook - susano@otd.com - http://www.otd.com/~susano/index.html
"I don't buy everything I read,
I haven't even read everything I've bought..."
Barenaked Ladies, "This is Where It Ends"
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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 13:03:57 EDT
From: HeroGames@aol.com
Subject: Re: Converting CoC Monsters to her (was: Ambitious "new" Project)
In a message dated 4/7/99 6:43:18 AM, susano@dedaana.otd.com writes:
>> <<CoC translates real well into Hero. The stats can be used almost
>> directly and corrolate to Hero stats fairly easily.>>
>>=20
>> Yes, but that's only for the characters. Has anyone come up with=20
conversion
>> info for the monsters?
>
You can also get the Cthulhu template for Creation Workshop, and if you have=20
the Hero System template, convert through the built-in scripts...
=97 Steve Peterson, Hero Games=20
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Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 12:58:04 PDT
From: "Jack Scarecrow" <themadharlequin@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Minatures and other Game Enhancing Props
You can also have standard front/back minatures, and tri fold
minatures (60, 120, 180; common to Marvel Role Playing Game).
> Mostly out of curiosity, what do you mean here by "60, 120, 180"?
/_\ 60 degree angle, 120 degree angle, 180 degree angle. For Heroes,
diagonal profile, diagonal profile from the other side, and back, or
for Villians, front, diagonal profile from the back, and diagonal
profile from the other side of the back.
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