Digest Archive vol 1 Issue 292
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champ-l-digest Monday, April 26 1999 Volume 01 : Number 292
In this issue:
Re: [Trigger and Personal Immunity]
Re: (no subject)
Re: POWER: Air Walking (with perhaps the longest Limitation in Champions history)
Re: Nanite Splits
The Arachnid (was Archetype Clone Force, Attack!)
Re: The Arachnid (was Archetype Clone Force, Attack!)
RE: Discriminatory IR
RE: Discriminatory IR
Re: Discriminatory IR
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Re: The Arachnid (was Archetype Clone Force, Attack!)
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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 00:12:24 -0400
From: Indiana Joe <jrc3@home.com>
Subject: Re: [Trigger and Personal Immunity]
At 5:11 PM -0400 4/24/99, qts wrote:
>On Wed, 31 Mar 1999 19:13:41 -0500, Indiana Joe wrote:
>
>>At 7:50 PM -0500 3/30/99, ANTHONY VARGAS wrote:
>>>Well, triggered powers don't generally act like free detects, but, I think
>>>in most genres, the person who casts a spell has a certain attachment to
>>>it, so it wouldn't be unreasonable. It depends on how you think of magick.
>>
>> How would it be acting as a free detect?
>
>IIRC from the FH Sourcebook (anyone got a copy to hand?) Trigger can
>only operate on your normal senses. If you require it to do otherwise,
>you have to build the Detect into the Triggered Power.
That's what I thought. (Hero 4 says it can use any sense the caster has.)
The triggering sense is normal sight (unless the mage has additional
senses).
Joe Claffey | "In the end, everything is a gag."
jrc3@home.net | - Charlie Chaplin
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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 00:34:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: arcus@webtv.net (chrisopher spoor)
Subject: Re: (no subject)
OK, but what can he do while seperated. My first thought was CE - do
physical stuff, ( like the superspeed trick).
How about duplicate with the limit that duplicates draw body from the
original. ( If you have BOD: 20 and create a duplicate with 3 body, you
have 17 left in the original. ).
Don't forget clairsentience also.
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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 23:51:28 -0700
From: Rick Holding <rholding@actonline.com.au>
Subject: Re: POWER: Air Walking (with perhaps the longest Limitation in Champions history)
qts wrote:
>
> On Fri, 23 Apr 1999 22:11:48 -0400 (EDT), Jason Sullivan wrote:
>
> >9 Flight 6", 1/2 END (+1/4), No Turn Mode (+1/4);
> >
> >Limitation: This type of Flight allows the character to "walk" on the air
> >perpendicular to the ground.
>
> <snip>
>
> > This type of Flight may not travel
> >in trajectories greater than 45 degree angles up or down,
>
> You do realise that perpendicular means at 90 degrees?
I think he meant that you are standing upright when you airwalk unlike
"normal" fliers who do it lying down.
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Rick Holding
If only "common sense" was just a bit more common...
or if you prefer... You call this logic ?
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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 99 05:22:48 PDT
From: "Richard O'Marro" <hbcraft@impulsedata.net>
Subject: Re: Nanite Splits
Christopher Spoor said:
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> OK, but what can he do while seperated. My first thought was CE - do
> physical stuff, ( like the superspeed trick).
>
> How about duplicate with the limit that duplicates draw body from the
> original. ( If you have BOD: 20 and create a duplicate with 3 body, you
> have 17 left in the original. ).
>
> Don't forget clairsentience also.
>
>
>
When seperated, the Nanites can still do the same Shapechanging things =
that an Intact Jim can, just on smaller scales. I.e. a Full Sized Jim mig=
ht created a 10D6 Armor Pirecing EB. Two Half sized Jims would only be =
able to make 5d6 AP EB.
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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 12:50:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jason Sullivan <ravanos@NJCU.edu>
Subject: The Arachnid (was Archetype Clone Force, Attack!)
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I'm trying to build a "Spiderman" Archetype character clone... not quite
Spiderman... but close enough.
Here are some problems I've run into so far:
Danger Sense is expensive. I might eliminate it all together... but just
in case there are extra points, what do you think is "Spidey Grade" Danger
Sense?
Tiny, stiff hairs with nerves along his back and spine help him feel air
movements being displaced around him (ever see "The Fly"?). Should I buy
this as: Sense Air Displacement, Ranged
...also, is Targeting needed to Dodge attacks? (This ability with
UV vision replaces Danger Sense, I'd think).
I'm probally powering the Entangle off of an END pool (it's
natural as opposed to mechanical). My question is which mechanic better
represents the ability to "reel in" opponents? Stretching, or TK equal to
STR? The character has a STR equal to 40, so either construct will be
expensive (I wish there was an option with Entangle sometimes that would
cover this...) If I do go with either of these options, ddo you think I
could give either the 0 point Limitation: Lacks tatctile sense, treated as
Foci/Entangle for purposes of damage?
I was thinking about giving him HKA for tiny claws and fangs.
Appropiate for this Web Slinger, or unheroic?
Regeneration might be useful (since he's a "neogenic" hero).
Now for Disads...
How much for:
Physical Limitation: Trouble digesting solid foods; must
supplement his diet with high ammounts of special protein.
What do you think about:
20 Susceptability: Radiation/Negeonics "B-Movie Mutation Pool"
(Uncommon, Turn, 3d6 for "Mutation Pool" [Random Side Effect:
Multiform/Shapeshift-Growth into giant spider, Extra Limbs, DF, Physical
Limitations, etc.])
20 Vulnerability: X2 effect from Diseases, Drugs, and Toxins (Common)
15 Secret ID: Parker Peters (Is the name too cheesy?)
Finally:
What Psychological Limitations would an intelligent, responsible
young college student have?
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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 13:15:58 -0500
From: "Michael (Damon) & Peni Griffin" <griffin@txdirect.net>
Subject: Re: The Arachnid (was Archetype Clone Force, Attack!)
At 12:50 PM 4/25/1999 -0400, Jason Sullivan wrote:
>
>Tiny, stiff hairs with nerves along his back and spine help him feel air
>movements being displaced around him (ever see "The Fly"?). Should I buy
>this as: Sense Air Displacement, Ranged
> ...also, is Targeting needed to Dodge attacks? (This ability with
>UV vision replaces Danger Sense, I'd think).
For this, just give him Combat Sense, Defense Maneuver, or both, with the
hairy back as SFX.
>How much for:
> Physical Limitation: Trouble digesting solid foods; must
>supplement his diet with high ammounts of special protein.
0 points, since high-protein liquids are not hard to come by. Nor is it
hard to turn solid foods into liquid form with a blender.
>15 Secret ID: Parker Peters (Is the name too cheesy?)
Yes.
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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 12:58:00 -0700
From: "Filksinger" <filkhero@usa.net>
Subject: RE: Discriminatory IR
From: geoff heald
>
>
<snip>
> Unkabill says:
> In Hero, if your IR vision is Discriminatory, you should be
> able to tell
> the color of their clothes (as well as identify individuals).
> It doesn't seem to make sense, but that's what Discriminatory means.
Since when? I looked at the description of "Discriminatory" in the
BBB, and it says nothing about colors.
Of course, in my campaign, I would say, "Yes, you can see colors. Of
course, they are infrared colors, you have no idea what they might
look like in visible light, you would need whole new names for them,
and only people with Discriminatory IR would understand you when you
talked about them, but...."
It kind of reminds me of a fair Star Trek novel, where a Klingon on
board the Enterprise got into a great deal of trouble walking through
a door with a sign on it saying to keep out and that it was a secure
area. Apparently, Klingons could see low-range UV, but not red. Thus,
security wore black uniforms (so the Klingon's thought), the doors on
the Enterprise were often black, and he couldn't read black letters
written on a "black" sign.
Filksinger
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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 12:58:04 -0700
From: "Filksinger" <filkhero@usa.net>
Subject: RE: Discriminatory IR
From: Mike Christodoulou
>
<snip>
>
> IR is, by definition, colorless. Just shades of grey -- or
> in common
> implementation, shades of green.
Actually, no. There _are_ "colors" in IR. At least so far as there are
colors at all, they can exist in infrared light, to those who can see
it.
Color is nothing but the ability to distinguish between different
wavelengths of visible light. IR is electromagnetic waves that have
wavelengths within a particular band between visible light and
microwaves. If infrared _is_ visible to you, and you can distinguish
between wavelengths of it, then those are colors to you.
Filksinger
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Date: 25 Apr 1999 17:50:54 -0400
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net>
Subject: Re: Discriminatory IR
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| Of course, in my campaign, I would say, "Yes, you can see colors. Of
| course, they are infrared colors, you have no idea what they might
| look like in visible light, you would need whole new names for them,
| and only people with Discriminatory IR would understand you when you
| talked about them, but...."
Enh. There are critters (like bees) that naturally see further into the
red or blue areas of the spectrum, and we have a fair idea what it is they
see. Someone who can see into the near-IR or UV areas do not see more
colors so much as see more shades of red or blue than the rest of us.
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 08:51:32 +1000
From: Phil Chappell <pchap@macquarie.matra.com.au>
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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 21:21:14 EDT
From: Leah L Watts <llwatts@juno.com>
Subject: Re: The Arachnid (was Archetype Clone Force, Attack!)
>Danger Sense is expensive. I might eliminate it all together... but
just
>in case there are extra points, what do you think is "Spidey Grade"
Danger
>Sense?
Most of my Marvel comics are older, so there may have been changes, but I
don't think Spidey gets surprised very often -- call it at least a 14-
roll, possibly higher. Add in another 10 points, since I think "Spider
Sense" has picked up things he couldn't have sensed normally.
> I was thinking about giving him HKA for tiny claws and fangs.
>Appropiate for this Web Slinger, or unheroic?
I believe Spiderman's got a CAK. If your version does as well, I'd skip
this.
>Now for Disads...
>How much for:
> Physical Limitation: Trouble digesting solid foods; must
>supplement his diet with high ammounts of special protein.
As in, he eats the normal 2000-3000 calories per day in the form of
several protein shakes? That wouldn't be much of a disad, you can get
those premixed shakes by the case, and all he'd have to tell people is
that he has "food allergies" and can't join them for lunch. If he needs
to eat much more than normal people do because his digestion is
inefficient, say 2000 calories worth of solid food plus 2000-3000
calories worth of liquid protein, you could probably justify about 10
points worth of limitation.
>20 Vulnerability: X2 effect from Diseases, Drugs, and Toxins
>(Common)
I think I'd call this very common -- every time a new flu strain pops up,
or someone in his classes gets a cold, he's going to be at risk.
Leah
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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 21:45:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jason Sullivan <ravanos@NJCU.edu>
Subject: Re: The Arachnid (was Archetype Clone Force, Attack!)
On Sun, 25 Apr 1999, Michael (Damon) & Peni Griffin wrote:
> At 12:50 PM 4/25/1999 -0400, Jason Sullivan wrote:
> >Tiny, stiff hairs with nerves along his back and spine help him feel air
> >movements being displaced around him (ever see "The Fly"?). Should I buy
> >this as: Sense Air Displacement, Ranged
> > ...also, is Targeting needed to Dodge attacks? (This ability with
> >UV vision replaces Danger Sense, I'd think).
> For this, just give him Combat Sense, Defense Maneuver, or both, with the
> hairy back as SFX.
Combat Sense requires a roll, and does not work with the SFX (for
example, Sense Air Displacement would detect Invisible to Sight, but not
someone Desolid, and the power could be negated by strong winds-- and
dosen't necessarily allow "counter attacks."
Defense Maneuver requires a non attack Combat Maneuver that takes
a 1/2 Phase Action to Perform.
What I'm aiming for is something that will allow someone to feel
air being displaced... if someone is behind them, or if a car moves, or if
a stiff wind blows... direction, force, and speed generally estimated...
giving the character a chance to react.
> >How much for:
> > Physical Limitation: Trouble digesting solid foods; must
> >supplement his diet with high ammounts of special protein.
> 0 points, since high-protein liquids are not hard to come by. Nor is it
> hard to turn solid foods into liquid form with a blender.
I was actually aiming for... he can eat baby food, but needs
fresh blood for sustenance. It is impossible for him to eat solids, drink
liquor, or any sort of hot or spicy food.
> >15 Secret ID: Parker Peters (Is the name too cheesy?)
> Yes.
I'll think up a different one.
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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 21:18:04 -0700
From: Christopher Taylor <ctaylor@viser.net>
Subject: Re: The Arachnid (was Archetype Clone Force, Attack!)
>Danger Sense is expensive. I might eliminate it all together... but just
>in case there are extra points, what do you think is "Spidey Grade" Danger
>Sense?
In Spidey's case the danger sense is a very major power, he uses it to
track people, sense lies, etc, at the whim of the writers. Its worth a lot
of points, 60 seems like a lot but it would cover him nicely.
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