Digest Archive vol 1 Issue 389
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champ-l-digest Friday, June 11 1999 Volume 01 : Number 389
In this issue:
Re: Different Powers, same effects [was Instant Change]
Re: What's My Line? (was The Mummy)
Re: Swapping stats
Re: Steve Austin
Heroes of Styx
Re: Swapping stats
Re: Instant Change
Re: Steve Austin
Another Dr. Pepper Team Member
Re: Swapping stats
Re: Heroes of Styx
Re: Steve Austin
Re: What's My Line? (was The Mummy)
Re: Can a base be a scientist?
Re: HERO site back up?
Re: HERO site back up?
Re: HERO site back up?
Re: Swapping stats
Re: HERO site back up?
Re: HERO site back up?
RE: HERO site back up?
RE: HERO site bnack up
Heroes Return!
Re: HERO site bnack up
Re: Heroes Return!
Re: Swapping stats
Re: Swapping stats
Re: Heroes Return!
Re: Automata
Re: Swapping stats
Re: Swapping stats
Re: Swapping stats
Re: Swapping stats
Re: Swapping stats
Re: What's My Line? (was The Mummy)
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 01:16:42 -0400
From: geoff heald <gheald@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Different Powers, same effects [was Instant Change]
At 11:01 AM 6/10/99 -0700, you wrote:
>I read an old Avenger's once where Molecule man disintegrated Iron Man's
>Armor (AFAIK this is how the Avengers discovered his Secret ID). When
>they reached a reasonable conclusion to the adventure, molecule man (Was
>it really him? I forget!) whomped up a suit for Iron Man that was
>basically a pair of PJ's that looked like Iron man armor. I recall the
>formerly bad guy saying "I'm sorry but I couldn't possibly recreate all
>that complicted circuitry." and Iron man replied "That's Okay, this will
>protect my secret identityy until I can get back to my lab."
>
>Perhaps an Example?
>
>
A perfect example of a gamemaster limiting Transform. Since he did not
really know how it worked, Molecule Man could not make the Iron Man Armor.
Tony Stark probably has the knowledge, and if he somehow could control
Molecule Man's Transform, _he_ could have made Iron Man's armor. My GM has
always ruled that you can't Transform an object into something you don't
know how to make (or at least what it's supposed to be like when it's done).
============================
Geoff Heald
============================
Attention all enemies of the Rival Ninja Corporation: You will lay down
your weapons and surrender to your nearest R.N.C. representative. Failure
to do so will result in your total destruction. Thank you.
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 01:33:37 -0400
From: geoff heald <gheald@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: What's My Line? (was The Mummy)
At 03:03 PM 6/10/99 -0700, you wrote:
>>>
>>> "...a man barely alive. We can rebuild him..."
>>>
>>
>>You're writing up Oscar Goldman?
>>
>>=================
>>Geoff Heald
>>who won a trivia contest for knowing who said that line.
>
> For the bonus prize, here's a tricky one:
>
> "It is... it is........ it is green."
>---
Take your choice:
Scotty on Star Trek said this to a Klingon (?)to describe a beverage he had
found and could not identify.
Data on ST:TNG said this to Scotty to describe a beverage he had found and
could not identify.
============================
Geoff Heald
============================
Attention all enemies of the Rival Ninja Corporation: You will lay down
your weapons and surrender to your nearest R.N.C. representative. Failure
to do so will result in your total destruction. Thank you.
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 01:38:54 -0400
From: geoff heald <gheald@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Swapping stats
At 09:04 PM 6/10/99 -0400, you wrote:
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>* Bob Greenwade <bob.greenwade@klock.com> on Thu, 10 Jun 1999
>| Well, I've never considered it to be particularly miraculous or odd when
>| a person's weapon affects him- or herself.
>
>Yes or no: do you consider it a normal occourance for a detective to shoot
>herself as a means of solving a case?
We're talking about people who can fly and shoot energy beams from their
hands. I think we left "normal" behind some time ago.
Let me reverse the question:
Do you consider it normal for someone to be immune to their own weapons?
============================
Geoff Heald
============================
Attention all enemies of the Rival Ninja Corporation: You will lay down
your weapons and surrender to your nearest R.N.C. representative. Failure
to do so will result in your total destruction. Thank you.
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Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:49:37 -0700
From: jayphailey@juno.com
Subject: Re: Steve Austin
>>Lesse... 6 billion dollars sound about right?
>
>I was thinking more along the lines of 60 Billion, we are talking
>government contractors, secrecy, new tech, biology, new labs, etc...
>inflation is one thing, but bureaucracy has increased also.
The Bio-metric engineering of such a task (To equal human capabilities
let alone exceed them)turned out to be a *lot* more complex than was
originally visualized. MIT and other places have been working on it
constantly for years.
I saw on one of the "Gee Whiz" shows (on TLC) that they have actually
designed a prosthetic hand that can feel hot ot cold and can, with
training allow the user to distinguish that he touching things and how
hard. The arm uses electrode buttons to transmit heat and cold and uses
small scale electrical stimulation (very tiny shocks) to signal touching
and pressure.
The fellow I saw using it said that after he got used to it, it felt
normal. His brain got so good at interpreting the signals the arm sent
that it almost felt normal.
The problem with it was that it used huge battery packs and even so ran
down after a couple of hours.
But we're discussing a fantasy where this stuff is a lot easier to do,
aren't we?
Jay P. Hailey <Meow!> [ICQ: 37959005]
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 00:12:34 -0700
From: Chad Riley <chadriley01@sprynet.com>
Subject: Heroes of Styx
Okaly Dokaly Folks! This is a little out there even for me....
Since I was so stimulated by the Dr Pepper team concept and I saw my
favorite band perform on TV recently (and they have a new album coming
out soon) I was fumbling around with the idea of heroes &/or Villains
whose names are Styx tunes (those who don't know or don't care should
have stopped reading a while ago)
anyway, I got the easier ones of the top of my head (and I can stand
much straighter now for it)
Renegade - Street style martial artist/supersoldier; created by a rogue
black ops team and went, er renegade...
Blue Collar Man - Brick
Queen of Spades - Evil Seductress
Lorelai - um, Good Seductress??? maybe not...
Miss America - Patriotic Seductress, oops I ment martial artist...
Grand Illusion - Pompus mentalist
Super Star - Energy Projector who happens to be a famous actor
Mr Roboto (or just Roboto) a sentient robot
Any other's I've missed? I don't have much of their old stuff but I
remember an album called Man of Miracles, may be a wizard or escape
artist???
Responda if ya wanna
Chad
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 05:22:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: arcus@webtv.net (chrisopher spoor)
Subject: Re: Swapping stats
<<Yes or no: do you consider it a normal occourance for a detective to
shoot herself as a means of solving a case? >>
Let's see, Captain Future had to be in severe pain, or near dead, to use
his precognition. I've seen several fighters smack themselves before a
fight to preform PRE attacks, either against others or to improve their
own morale. If They had a power like Black King's I could see them
beating themselves with baseball bats. If a detective had precognition
or telepathy, only while wounded (-3/4), You bet she would be shooting
herself to solve a case. Granted, in RL few people do serious damage to
themselves, there's no profit in it. In comics, there's a profit.
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 05:25:30 -0400
From: "Dale A. Ward" <daleward@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Instant Change
Greetings!
This entire thread seems to be based on a theory that I discovered several years
ago...
In any rulesbook, there are "rules" and there are "Rules!"... the former being those
lines that tell you what you can do, the latter those lines telling you what **the other
guy** CAN'T do.
This is the main reason why I only have ONE hard and fast rule (and, I'm sure that
I've said this on, at least, two occasions since I've been on this list)... It's MY game
and I'll play it the way I want! For those anal-retentive types who take exception to
this, I would like to point out that, in most free-form gaming systems (such as Hero
System), there is some mention of the fact that the "rules" are guidelines... not Holy Law
carved in stone by the hand of God!
Therefore, if I want to allow my players to use Transform on themselves then, by God,
I WILL... whether you think I should or not. Furthermore, I foment even more rebellious
thoughts by encouraging all - Players and GMs alike - to construct your powers and
abilities in whatever manner seems most point-economical and logical to you.
To this, I will add one caveat. Don't expect your particular power construct to be
accepted by EVERY GM. Even I, with my liberal attitude, will probably limit it in some way
(although, I have had very few occasions in which to do so in over 20 years of gaming).
The point to this whole activity is for a group of people to entertain themselves and
have fun. If your idea of having fun is redesigning and rewriting the system on a daily
basis, then more power to you. I prefer to concentrate on the story... and, my players
tend to agree.
Peace And Love To All!
Dale Ward
**************************************
* I don't have an attitude problem. *
* You have a perception problem. *
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 02:26:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: shaw@caprica.com (Wayne Shaw)
Subject: Re: Steve Austin
>The problem with it was that it used huge battery packs and even so ran
>down after a couple of hours.
>
>But we're discussing a fantasy where this stuff is a lot easier to do,
>aren't we?
Though I should note that Austen's limbs _did_ use a lot of power. As I
recall they had some sort of miniturized nuclear power cells.
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 07:01:46 -0400
From: "Dale A. Ward" <daleward@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Another Dr. Pepper Team Member
Greetings!
While shopping at my local Eckerd Drugs here in Bradenton, FL, I saw a new Pepper Team
member...
Dr. Riffic (Doc Terrific?)
Someone else will have to think of a power write-up for him/her.
Dale A. Ward
***************************************************
* I'm not tense... just terribly, terribly alert. *
***************************************************
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 19:17:25 +0800
From: GAZZA <gazza@wantree.com.au>
Subject: Re: Swapping stats
Stainless Steel Rat wrote:
> * GAZZA <gazza@wantree.com.au> on Mon, 07 Jun 1999
> | How pedantic do we get here? Can I Transfer or Drain one of my
> | Duplicates? A Follower? My DNPC? My teammates?
>
> Duplicates... I that depends on the campaign. The rest, yes, until I as
> the GM get fed up with it :).
You seem to tentatively agree that it's OK to Transfer people that
aren't actually opposed to you. That's what "opponent" means, after
all. If you're willing to go that far, why not a little further?
> | How?
>
> For example, trading INT and STR:
> 20 20 point multipower
> 4 20 INT
> 4 20 STR
Which would cost you 28 points. An equivalent Transfer would be to
buy the 20 STR, and then (say) 1d6 Transfer STR to INT, +14 to maximum.
Or 22 points. You save 6 points, BUT the two powers are very different.
Firstly, you have to spend an attack action to use Transfer, whereas
the Multipower can be changed as a 0 phase action.
Secondly, the Transfer will cost you END.
Thirdly, of course, you could use the Transfer on someone else.
In short, they aren't the same power. You don't really get a cheaper
Multipower like this.
> [...]
> | In what way, exactly? The effect - gain one stat, lose another - is
> | the same. With the right limitation value, it would cost the same,
> | too.
>
> 3D6 Transfer: you lose 3D6 active points and I gain the same active
> points.
>
> 3D6 Drain + 3D6 Aid: you lose 3D6 active points and either I or the
> "victim" of my choice gets 3D6 active points.
>
> Similar, but not the same.
That depends on whether "you" can be considered to include "me".
Many GMs (myself included) would allow the same 3d6 roll for the Aid
to apply to the Drain (that is, if you roll 10 points on the Aid,
you automatically get Drained by 10 points).
The reason I don't like the Side Effect choice is that Side Effect,
with no Activation Roll, is extremely undervalued. A power that
is cheaper and HAS an Activation Roll is LESS effected by the Side
Effect, since in that case the Side Effect only goes off if the
roll is failed. Basically, you get a cost break by making the power
less limiting, which is clearly against the spirit of the rules.
In short, I don't think Side Effect works very well for "reliable"
powers.
> Regardless, if it says "opponent" you cannot use it on yourself. I do
> not consider Side Effects to qualify as "using a power on yourself",
> unless you don't mind me buying an Energy Blast with Aid as a Side
> Effect.
Of course not - "a limitation that doesn't limit" and so forth. But
as to whether a Side Effect is "using a power on yourself" - that
would depend on the sfx. I can imagine a Side Effect that would indeed
qualify as "using the power on yourself" - for example, throwing
some sort of boomerang that, if the Activation Roll failed, would
rebound and hit the thrower. That's certainly a Side Effect, and it's
the exact same Power that would be used on an "opponent".
- --
GAZZA
"To know others is wisdom.
To know one's self is enlightenment."
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 07:30:46 -0500
From: "Michael (Damon) & Peni Griffin" <griffin@txdirect.net>
Subject: Re: Heroes of Styx
At 12:12 AM 6/11/1999 -0700, Chad Riley wrote:
>Okaly Dokaly Folks! This is a little out there even for me....
>Since I was so stimulated by the Dr Pepper team concept and I saw my
>favorite band perform on TV recently (and they have a new album coming
>out soon) I was fumbling around with the idea of heroes &/or Villains
>whose names are Styx tunes (those who don't know or don't care should
>have stopped reading a while ago)
>
>anyway, I got the easier ones of the top of my head (and I can stand
>much straighter now for it)
>
>Renegade - Street style martial artist/supersoldier; created by a rogue
>black ops team and went, er renegade...
>Blue Collar Man - Brick
>Queen of Spades - Evil Seductress
>Lorelai - um, Good Seductress??? maybe not...
>Miss America - Patriotic Seductress, oops I ment martial artist...
>Grand Illusion - Pompus mentalist
>Super Star - Energy Projector who happens to be a famous actor
>Mr Roboto (or just Roboto) a sentient robot
>
>Any other's I've missed? I don't have much of their old stuff but I
>remember an album called Man of Miracles, may be a wizard or escape
>artist???
Let's see...
Styx
Styx II
The Serpent Is Rising
Man of Miracles
Crystal Ball
Equinox
The Grand Illusion
Pieces of Eight
Paradise Theatre
Kilroy Was Here
Cornerstone
Edge of the Century
Return to Paradise
Tracks from these albums you might be able to use include Suite Madame
Blue, Babe, Snowblind, Great White Hope, Lonely Child, Man in the
Wilderness...
Damon
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 08:36:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Surbrook <susano@dedaana.otd.com>
Subject: Re: Steve Austin
On Fri, 11 Jun 1999, Wayne Shaw wrote:
> >The problem with it was that it used huge battery packs and even so ran
> >down after a couple of hours.
> >
> >But we're discussing a fantasy where this stuff is a lot easier to do,
> >aren't we?
>
> Though I should note that Austen's limbs _did_ use a lot of power. As I
> recall they had some sort of miniturized nuclear power cells.
Yup. I think the cells were described as the same ones used in
satellites.
- --
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"Stay on target. Stay on target!"
Gold Five, _Star Wars_
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 05:46:42 -0700
From: Bob Greenwade <bob.greenwade@klock.com>
Subject: Re: What's My Line? (was The Mummy)
At 01:33 AM 6/11/1999 -0400, geoff heald wrote:
>At 03:03 PM 6/10/99 -0700, you wrote:
>
>> For the bonus prize, here's a tricky one:
>>
>> "It is... it is........ it is green."
>>---
>Take your choice:
>Scotty on Star Trek said this to a Klingon (?)to describe a beverage he had
>found and could not identify.
>Data on ST:TNG said this to Scotty to describe a beverage he had found and
>could not identify.
As previously noted, only the first answer is correct. Data (in theory
at least) could not use contractions; when Scotty said the line (to an
Andromedan alien called, I think, a Kelvan) it was, "*It's* green."
The distinction of contractions -- a Distinctive Feature that was used
on occasion, but far too little IMO -- is what makes the question a tricky
one.
Coming back around on topic, it was for the use of "Can't Use
Contractions in Speech" as a Distinctive Feature that I decided to keep
this on the list. It's one of those things that someone might not notice,
not because one doesn't have a special Skill or special training but just
because one isn't thinking about that sort of thing and it doesn't stand
out. Clearly it's Concealable with Effort (by not talking) and Noticed,
but would it be appropriate to include some other modifier -- say, -5
points for requiring a PER Roll to notice?
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 09:21:40 -0400
From: Geoff Speare <geoff@igcn.com>
Subject: Re: Can a base be a scientist?
>Actually, I'd say Geoff will be responsible. Thanks Geoff.
My pleasure.
Geoff Speare
(Heh heh, I have your GM's email address now :)
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 06:21:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Desmarais <johndesmarais@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: HERO site back up?
- --- Bob Greenwade <bob.greenwade@klock.com> wrote:
> At 11:22 PM 6/10/1999 EDT, AndMat3@aol.com wrote:
> >In a message dated 6/10/99 10:23:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> >john.desmarais@ibm.net writes:
> >
> >> >On the other hand, the REAL Herogames site is back up and looks pretty
> >sharp.
> >>
> >
> >is the web site still www.herogames.com?
>
> I'm wondering that myself; I've tried it twice since seeing this post
> (and other messages responding to it, and I still get the error message...).
I'm guessing it's intermitently up and down as they're working on it (and maybe
trying to do something about the "fetish" site at herogames.com).
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 09:57:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Surbrook <susano@dedaana.otd.com>
Subject: Re: HERO site back up?
> I'm guessing it's intermitently up and down as they're working on it (and maybe
> trying to do something about the "fetish" site at herogames.com).
I don't think there is anything you can do about that...
- --
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"You! Get me a drink! Make it large, strong, and to go,
and put it on Godot's tab!"
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 11:26:21 EDT
From: Leah L Watts <llwatts@juno.com>
Subject: Re: HERO site back up?
>> I'm guessing it's intermitently up and down as they're working on it
(and maybe
>> trying to do something about the "fetish" site at herogames.com).
>
>I don't think there is anything you can do about that...
There is, a company I've dealt with that sells SF merchandise recently
won a case against some porn company that was using a close ripoff of
their domain name. Next question, can Hero Games afford to sue the other
company?
Leah
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 11:26:21 EDT
From: Leah L Watts <llwatts@juno.com>
Subject: Re: Swapping stats
>>But is it considered to be a normal occourance when it does happen?
You
>>still have not answered that question.
>
> Well, I've never considered it to be particularly miraculous or odd
when
>a person's weapon affects him- or herself.
I've been reading some books on World War I recently, and there were many
occasions where someone would inflict an injury on himself to get out of
combat. I understand this tactic has also been used in other wars. I
haven't seen anything to indicate that the gun worked differently just
because it was pointed at the person pulling the trigger, so I would call
it "normal". Rat, if this isn't what you meant by "normal occurance",
can we get a clarification?
Leah
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 09:50:50 -0600
From: "Terry Wilcox" <terry@arcane.com>
Subject: Re: HERO site back up?
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Leah L Watts <llwatts@juno.com>
To: <champ-l@sysabend.org>
Sent: Friday, June 11, 1999 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: HERO site back up?
> >> I'm guessing it's intermitently up and down as they're working on it
> (and maybe
> >> trying to do something about the "fetish" site at herogames.com).
> >
> >I don't think there is anything you can do about that...
>
> There is, a company I've dealt with that sells SF merchandise recently
> won a case against some porn company that was using a close ripoff of
> their domain name. Next question, can Hero Games afford to sue the other
> company?
The lingerie company isn't using a rip-off of Hero Games' domain, they're
using Hero Games' domain.
How can they do that?
Hero has chosen a service provider who also hosts www.legscetera.com. The
ISP has set up their web server incorrectly, so HTTP requests for
http://herogames.com go to http://www.legscetera.com, while
http://www.herogames.com goes to the right place.
This isn't the fault of legscetera.com. It's the ISP.
I think it's funny. You certainly get what you pay for.
Terry Wilcox
terry@arcane.com
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 11:54:42 -0400
From: Bill Svitavsky <nbymail11@mln.lib.ma.us>
Subject: Re: HERO site back up?
At 09:50 AM 6/11/99 -0600, Terry Wilcox wrote:
>
>The lingerie company isn't using a rip-off of Hero Games' domain, they're
>using Hero Games' domain.
>
>How can they do that?
>
>Hero has chosen a service provider who also hosts www.legscetera.com. The
>ISP has set up their web server incorrectly, so HTTP requests for
>http://herogames.com go to http://www.legscetera.com, while
>http://www.herogames.com goes to the right place.
>
>This isn't the fault of legscetera.com. It's the ISP.
>
>I think it's funny. You certainly get what you pay for.
>
Yeah, I'd say Hero Games got hosed.
Bill Svitavsky :-)
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 12:05:36 -0400
From: "Johnson, Adam" <AJohnson@clariion.com>
Subject: RE: HERO site back up?
At least you guys are getting something... I keep getting "connection refused" and such like that.
Think about it... legscetera... maybe as a joke, someone saw it as "hergams" instead of "herogames."
Possible?
- ----------------------------------------------------------
Adam Johnson
Product Support -- Head Lab Resident Area Tech (LabRAT)
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- ----------------------------------------------------------
- -----Original Message-----
From: Bill Svitavsky [mailto:nbymail11@mln.lib.ma.us]
Sent: Friday, 11 June, 1999 11:55
To: champ-l@sysabend.org
Subject: Re: HERO site back up?
At 09:50 AM 6/11/99 -0600, Terry Wilcox wrote:
>
>The lingerie company isn't using a rip-off of Hero Games' domain, they're
>using Hero Games' domain.
>
>How can they do that?
>
>Hero has chosen a service provider who also hosts www.legscetera.com. The
>ISP has set up their web server incorrectly, so HTTP requests for
>http://herogames.com go to http://www.legscetera.com, while
>http://www.herogames.com goes to the right place.
>
>This isn't the fault of legscetera.com. It's the ISP.
>
>I think it's funny. You certainly get what you pay for.
>
Yeah, I'd say Hero Games got hosed.
Bill Svitavsky :-)
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 12:45:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jason Sullivan <ravanos@NJCU.edu>
Subject: RE: HERO site bnack up
=D7=D7=F0=CC8zT=B9=FCtV=A4|7;=91=9C3=DB=CEz3=D3=D5=09=B6=E7'"=8BK=CE`=CBD4w=
rote:
> At least you guys are getting something... I keep getting "connection ref=
used" and such like that.
> Think about it... legscetera... maybe as a joke, someone saw it as "herga=
ms" instead of "herogames."=20
> Possible
"Johnson, Adam" <AJohnson@clariion.com>
=09Now I'm wondering if I should write up Legscetera as a character?
=09Autofire HA Kicks, distracts valiant Superheroes from performing
their duties, interferes with free enterprise, corporate espionage,
computer hacking...=20
=09Sounds like a winner to me. Anyone at all interested? (I
just need the validation on
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 13:28:08 EDT
From: HeroGames@aol.com
Subject: Heroes Return!
The Hero Games web site (www.herogames.com) is back!
Yes, although our site looked like it was dead, it actually had a radiation=20
accident! The Hero site is back, complete with new costume and new powers,=20
some still to be discovered. More information will be poured in over the nex=
t=20
few weeks. Our online store will be up and running as soon as we finish=20
testing the transactions; we=92ll be offering direct download of our softwar=
e=20
products (just enter your credit card info and go!).
One of the niftiest new features that will be up shortly is our discussion=20
area, where we=92ll have message boards on a variety of topics.
The new site address info has to propagate throughout the Internet, so you=20
may not be able to access it until tomorrow. But it=92s still the same=20
www.herogames.com.
By next week we should be back on our weekly Digital Hero update schedule, s=
o=20
you can look for more info on the Hero site every week.
Thanks for your patience during this transition.
=97 Steve Peterson, Hero Games=20
P.S. No, the pantyhose web site wasn=92t a preview of our new live-action RP=
G=85=20
just a mistake by our ISP that has now been corrected. The ISP=92s tech guru=20
now has a Hunted By Foxbat, which should take care of him.
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 15:03:24 -0400
From: Carl Hewett and Becka Barker <c_hewett@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: HERO site bnack up
Only if "she" is part of C.L.O.W.N....
Jason Sullivan wrote:
> > Think about it... legscetera... maybe as a joke, someone saw it as "hergams" instead of "herogames."
> > Possible
> "Johnson, Adam" <AJohnson@clariion.com>
>
> Now I'm wondering if I should write up Legscetera as a character?
>
> Autofire HA Kicks, distracts valiant Superheroes from performing
> their duties, interferes with free enterprise, corporate espionage,
> computer hacking...
>
> Sounds like a winner to me. Anyone at all interested? (I
> just need the validation on
- --
Visit:
Singing Wolf's World
http://members.tripod.com/~Becka_Barker
And the new Shire page for Burning Waters
http://rivendell.fortunecity.com/harvester/12
I bid you peace and raise you happiness...
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 12:26:17 -0700
From: Darrin Kelley <backflash@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Heroes Return!
Bruce, I am still getting errors. I am not getting through to the site at
all. I have tried it moments before I got the message I am quoting. It is still
non-existant to me.
HeroGames@aol.com wrote:
> The Hero Games web site (www.herogames.com) is back!
>
> Yes, although our site looked like it was dead, it actually had a radiation
> accident! The Hero site is back, complete with new costume and new powers,
> some still to be discovered. More information will be poured in over the next
> few weeks. Our online store will be up and running as soon as we finish
> testing the transactions; we’ll be offering direct download of our software
> products (just enter your credit card info and go!).
>
> One of the niftiest new features that will be up shortly is our discussion
> area, where we’ll have message boards on a variety of topics.
>
> The new site address info has to propagate throughout the Internet, so you
> may not be able to access it until tomorrow. But it’s still the same
> www.herogames.com.
>
> By next week we should be back on our weekly Digital Hero update schedule, so
> you can look for more info on the Hero site every week.
>
> Thanks for your patience during this transition.
>
> — Steve Peterson, Hero Games
>
> P.S. No, the pantyhose web site wasn’t a preview of our new live-action RPG…
> just a mistake by our ISP that has now been corrected. The ISP’s tech guru
> now has a Hunted By Foxbat, which should take care of him.
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Date: 11 Jun 1999 15:42:50 -0400
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net>
Subject: Re: Swapping stats
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* Bob Greenwade <bob.greenwade@klock.com> on Thu, 10 Jun 1999
| A normal physical occurrance, yes. I'd be amazed if a detective (or
| anyone else for that matter) was somehow immune to her own weapon.
Bob, will said detective deliberately shoot himself?
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Date: 11 Jun 1999 15:42:25 -0400
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net>
Subject: Re: Swapping stats
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* "J. Alan Easley" <alaneasley@email.com> on Thu, 10 Jun 1999
| So you are saying that Area Effect allows a power to affect a character that
| it couldn't normally affect?
I am saying that AoE might cause a power to affect a character that it
wouldn't normally affect. That is, I fire my EB at the ground at my feet;
I am not affected by the EB. I fire my AoE EB at the ground at my feet; I
*AM* affected by the EB because of the AoE advantage (unless I have another
advantage that says otherwise).
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 16:06:27 EDT
From: HeroGames@aol.com
Subject: Re: Heroes Return!
In a message dated 6/11/99 12:28:42 PM, backflash@mindspring.com writes:
> Bruce, I am still getting errors. I am not getting through to the site
>at
>
>all. I have tried it moments before I got the message I am quoting. It
>is still
>
>non-existant to me.
>
>
It takes up to 48 hours for the new DNS numbers to propagate through the=20
internet, so if you cannot connect now, just wait. Your ISP will eventually=20
get the right info. That's why some folks can connect now, and some can't. B=
y=20
Sunday everyone should be able to connect.
=97 Steve Peterson, Hero Games=20
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 13:01:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: shaw@caprica.com (Wayne Shaw)
Subject: Re: Automata
\>It states on page 181 of the BBB that the "Base physical and energy
>defenses are devied by 3, and the cost of all additional defenses are
>multiplied by three". So I can see where you get your interpretation.
>I interpreted to mean the defenses were resistant, this may be incorrect
>but if it is then there is no reason to purchase additional PD and ED for
>an Automaton since its PD and ED are twice as expensive as Armor.
>It just seems silly to me to spend 3 points on a single point of PD or
>ED when for the same point cost you can get 2 points of resistant
>defenses. So by spending three points on armor you can raise the
>the PD and ED by one and the defenses are resistant.
That assumes the resistant defenses aren't tripled too. That's not my
assumption from the above.
>Defense for Vehicles and Armor are the same and do cost the same as it
>says on pag 186 of the BBB. I interpreted the Automaton rules to be the
>same as the Vehicle rules when dealing with defenses. This leads to more
>consistancy in the game but as Wayne has pointed out this is not necessarily
>the case. The additional cost of an Automatons defenses put it at an even
>larger disadvantage point wise to a vehicle, especially when both have a
>computer controlling them.
I'd say this is a problem with the vehicle cost, not the automaton one,
however. As I noted, the increase in the automaton defense cost makes
perfect sense when you realize all they care about is Body, and it's
approximately three times as hard to do Body to something in the game as Stun.
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Date: 11 Jun 1999 16:32:28 -0400
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net>
Subject: Re: Swapping stats
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* Leah L Watts <llwatts@juno.com> on Fri, 11 Jun 1999
| it "normal". Rat, if this isn't what you meant by "normal occurance",
| can we get a clarification?
Go slam your hand in a car door as a method of getting paid time off from
work. Do it a couple of times a month. That is a normal (or routine)
occourance.
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:30:55 -0700
From: Mark Lemming <icepirat@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Swapping stats
Stainless Steel Rat wrote:
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> * Leah L Watts <llwatts@juno.com> on Fri, 11 Jun 1999
> | it "normal". Rat, if this isn't what you meant by "normal occurance",
> | can we get a clarification?
>
> Go slam your hand in a car door as a method of getting paid time off from
> work. Do it a couple of times a month. That is a normal (or routine)
> occourance.
Ok. I think we can agree that most people don't shoot themselves or
attack themselves on a regular basis. However they don't because they
are not inclined to, not because of rules. The way you've stated it
you would not be able to mind control a normal to shoot themself.
Transform is the only power that explicitly says it can not be used on
the power's owner. By the rules Absorption works fine when the owner
slaps themself around. I don't let a character do so just because I
think it's abusive, but that's a house rule.
- -Mark Lemming
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 13:11:19 -0700
From: Bob Greenwade <bob.greenwade@klock.com>
Subject: Re: Swapping stats
At 03:42 PM 6/11/1999 -0400, Stainless Steel Rat wrote:
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>* Bob Greenwade <bob.greenwade@klock.com> on Thu, 10 Jun 1999
>| A normal physical occurrance, yes. I'd be amazed if a detective (or
>| anyone else for that matter) was somehow immune to her own weapon.
>
>Bob, will said detective deliberately shoot himself?
If he needs to for some reason, or thinks he does, certainly.
And since there will certainly be the possibility that such a situation
will arise (depending on the GM), both for the hypothetical loose-cannon
detective and many other character concepts (such as those Leah recently
cited), there should be an allowance for it in the rules set.
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:57:43 -0700
From: Bob Greenwade <bob.greenwade@klock.com>
Subject: Re: Swapping stats
At 04:32 PM 6/11/1999 -0400, Stainless Steel Rat wrote:
>
>* Leah L Watts <llwatts@juno.com> on Fri, 11 Jun 1999
>| it "normal". Rat, if this isn't what you meant by "normal occurance",
>| can we get a clarification?
>
>Go slam your hand in a car door as a method of getting paid time off from
>work. Do it a couple of times a month. That is a normal (or routine)
>occourance.
What does this have to do with whether it should be possible under the
HERO System rules or not? I mean, as behavior goes, it's certainly no less
normal than setting a bomb or torturing someone for information, but I
don't see you objecting that these shouldn't be possible under the rules
(which they are).
- ---
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:33:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: shaw@caprica.com (Wayne Shaw)
Subject: Re: Swapping stats
>Transform is the only power that explicitly says it can not be used on
>the power's owner. By the rules Absorption works fine when the owner
>slaps themself around. I don't let a character do so just because I
>think it's abusive, but that's a house rule.
Though I should note there is a character in comics who has done just that,
more or less, on occasion before getting into a fight. The Black King from
the X-books occasionally would slam himself into a wall to charge up if he
knew a problem was coming.
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 17:47:19 -0500
From: "Michael (Damon) & Peni Griffin" <griffin@txdirect.net>
Subject: Re: What's My Line? (was The Mummy)
At 05:46 AM 6/11/1999 -0700, Bob Greenwade wrote:
> Coming back around on topic, it was for the use of "Can't Use
>Contractions in Speech" as a Distinctive Feature that I decided to keep
>this on the list. It's one of those things that someone might not notice,
>not because one doesn't have a special Skill or special training but just
>because one isn't thinking about that sort of thing and it doesn't stand
>out. Clearly it's Concealable with Effort (by not talking) and Noticed,
>but would it be appropriate to include some other modifier -- say, -5
>points for requiring a PER Roll to notice?
I don't believe Data *can't* use contractions in daily speech, he simply
*doesn't* do so, apparently having chosen not to incorporate an appropriate
subroutine into his positronic matrix.
Rather than deal with this as a Disadvantage at all, why not just give him
3 points worth of language instead than 4 (fluent, non-idiomatic speech)?
Adding the above subroutine would then cost him an entirely reasonable 1
point (boosting that language skill to 4) instead of the [excessive, IMHO]
several points that would be required to buy off a Distinctive Feature.
Damon
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