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champ-l-digest Monday, June 28 1999 Volume 01 : Number 433
In this issue:
Re: Need some help w/Martial maneuvers
Re: Cyber HERO
Re: Hero abbreviations
In the news....
Adv/Lim?
CHAR: Gil Hamilton of ARM
Re: CHAR: Gil Hamilton of ARM
Re: Cyber HERO
Re: Adv/Lim?
Re: Hero abbreviations
Re: Hero abbreviations
Re: Hero abbreviations
Ocean Cruise Adventure
Re: Ocean Cruise Adventure
Re: Adv/Lim?
Re: Need some help w/Martial maneuvers
Re: Ocean Cruise Adventure
Re: Need some help w/Martial maneuvers
RE: Need some help w/Martial maneuvers
Re: Fantasy Hero Magic System Design
Re: Adv/Lim?
RE: Adv/Lim?
Re: Adv/Lim?
Re: Cyber HERO
Re: Ocean Cruise Adventure
Re: Need some help w/Martial maneuvers
RE: Ocean Cruise Adventure
Re: Adv/Lim?
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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:06:18 -0700
From: Rodger Bright <rodger.bright@cbpr.com>
Subject: Re: Need some help w/Martial maneuvers
Something just dawned on me (with the help of Brian Wawrow). The v/5 element
implies that any movement you do will add some damage to the attack... i.e. if
you make a half-move which is not your full half-move you get the v/5 added
damage. The half-move element MUST mean that you HAVE to run your full
half-move, or else why would it be a 1 point bonus if you could do the same
thing with just the v/5 element?
- --Rodger
Bob Greenwade wrote:
> At 11:19 AM 6/28/1999 -0700, Rodger Bright wrote:
> >OK, here is another question.
> >
> >The "Requires half Move" element in UMA does not say if you HAVE to make a
> FULL
> >half-move, or if you can simply run a portion of your half-move to meet the
> >requirements of the Martial maneuver element.
>
> The way I read it, only 1" of movement is required with this element.
> (This element could be used to simulate any sort of required movement.)
> ---
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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:23:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Surbrook <susano@dedaana.otd.com>
Subject: Re: Cyber HERO
On Mon, 28 Jun 1999, Bob Greenwade wrote:
> >> Hi. a friend of mine is getting ready to run a cyberhero game.
> >> does anyone know of any source for hero-fied cyberpunk stuff?
> >
> >Yeah, Kazei 5, from Hero Games. Also, check out my webpage, especially
> >http://www.otd.com/~susano/kazei5.html
>
> There's also Cyber Hero, the cyberpunk sourcebook.
I try not to think of that.
> However, I only point that out because it exists. Michael's stuff is
> far better (which isn't really saying a whole lot, about either).
Err... right.
Michael Surbrook - susano@otd.com - http://www.otd.com/~susano/index.html
"What would you do with a brain if you *had* one?"
Dorothy (Judy Garland), from _The Wizard of Oz_
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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:24:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Surbrook <susano@dedaana.otd.com>
Subject: Re: Hero abbreviations
On Mon, 28 Jun 1999, Bob Greenwade wrote:
> At 10:33 AM 6/28/1999 -0400, Michael Surbrook wrote:
> >
> >So, does anyone know if there isa website that lists all the abbreviations
> >used in Hero? (like HKA, RKA, IAF, AK, KS etc?)
>
> Not AFAIK. ;-]
> Were you thinking of putting one up at Surbrook's Stuff?
No, someone had some questions about my site.
- --
Michael Surbrook - susano@otd.com - http://www.otd.com/~susano/index.html
"What would you do with a brain if you *had* one?"
Dorothy (Judy Garland), from _The Wizard of Oz_
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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:23:10 -0400
From: David Nasset <dnasset@cns.eds.com>
Subject: In the news....
From: Mike Christodoulou <Cypriot@Concentric.net>
>At 09:08 AM 6/28/99 -0500, Dr. Nuncheon wrote:
>>> Second TRUE story.
>>> Apparently there is a women that can detach her eyeball and still
>>> see through it even though it is miles away.
>>
>>Say what?
>>
>>Do you have a source for this?
>
>
>Yeah ... It's SUN magazine ... On sale at your local
>grocer's impulse shopping rack ... right next to
>Weekly World News.
"Best investigative reporting on the planet. Go ahead and read the Post, if
you want. Sometimes they get lucky."
Filksinger
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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:25:20 -0400
From: David Nasset <dnasset@cns.eds.com>
Subject: Adv/Lim?
From: Bob Greenwade <bob.greenwade@klock.com>
>
>At 07:53 PM 6/27/1999 -0400, Juan Antonio Ramirez wrote:
>>
>>Here's what I want to do... I want to make this item (say a ring, a
>>power bracelet, whatever) which has a set of powers which anybody who
>>picks it up and wears it can use. By the way, Superhero setting...
>>Well, the problem is the SFX. They are sorta variable... it depends on
>>who picks it up.
<snip>
>>I'm tempted to list it as a +/- 0 Adv/Lim ("SFX Reflects user's
>>'heart'"), but I'm thinking maybe it's Variable SFX with a Limitation on
>>the Advantage...
>>What to you guys think?
>
> I'd go with the latter idea (Variable SFX with a Limitation --
>specifically, I'd use No Conscious Control).
Perfect. And if the user's personality were to suddenly change, poof, new
SFX!
Filksinger
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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:50:19 -0400
From: David Nasset <dnasset@cns.eds.com>
Subject: CHAR: Gil Hamilton of ARM
From: Michael Surbrook <susano@dedaana.otd.com>
<snip>
>Cost Powers & Skills
>Psychokinetic Powers:
>25 Esper touch: N-Ray Touch, Discriminatory
>16 Esper Touch: Clairsentience: Touch, x256 Range (25,600" or 32
> miles), Concentrate (throughout) (-1/2), OAF: Projection Unit (-1),
> Immobile (-1), Requires clear projection (-1/4)
>14 Imaginary Arm: TK: 1 STR, Fine Manipulation, Indirect (+1/4),
> Invisible Power Effects: Sight (+1/2), Transdimensional: Video
> Screens (+1/4), 0 END (+1/2), No Range (-1/2), TK limited to very
> small amounts (ie. only a few ounces) (-1/2)
>18 Imaginary Arm: RKA: 1d6, NND (+1) [DEF: Depends on setting, see
> below], Does BODY (+1), Continuous (+1), No Range (-1/2), Must
> Follow Grab (-1/2), Only vs Living Things (-1/2), END 4
I hate to say it, but the Esper Touch is off a bit.
First, the "Requires clear projection" should be considerably more than
+1/4. After all, the target has to be willing to talk to you on a video
phone. If he can't or won't (such as if he knows your power), he could be so
close you can almost touch him, and completely out of reach. Gil also cannot
reach you if you are in a picture, but he cannot fool his mind into
"believing" that you are in arm's reach. If he is looking into a flat
picture or a screen, and the object on the other side is obviously out of
reach (the person on the other side is clearly a few feet from the camera),
he cannot touch it at all. If he sees a holographic projection of a
mountain, a three-dimensional picture like a Star Trek hologram, he can only
use his power on those parts of the illusory mountain that are within reach
of his hands. However, since he can reach _inside_ the projection of the
mountain to feel the hidden cave, he might have _more_ than mere
Clairsentient touch, but Clairsentient N-Ray Touch.
Additionally, you forgot the "Retrocognition, only for examining exactly
what is in a picture at the time the picture was taken". He could look at a
3D projection of an incinerated coffin, reach inside, and feel that the
person inside wasn't who was supposed to have been cremated.
Filksinger
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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:13:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Surbrook <susano@dedaana.otd.com>
Subject: Re: CHAR: Gil Hamilton of ARM
On Mon, 28 Jun 1999, David Nasset wrote:
> From: Michael Surbrook <susano@dedaana.otd.com>
> >Cost Powers & Skills
> >Psychokinetic Powers:
> >25 Esper touch: N-Ray Touch, Discriminatory
> >16 Esper Touch: Clairsentience: Touch, x256 Range (25,600" or 32
> > miles), Concentrate (throughout) (-1/2), OAF: Projection Unit (-1),
> > Immobile (-1), Requires clear projection (-1/4)
> >14 Imaginary Arm: TK: 1 STR, Fine Manipulation, Indirect (+1/4),
> > Invisible Power Effects: Sight (+1/2), Transdimensional: Video
> > Screens (+1/4), 0 END (+1/2), No Range (-1/2), TK limited to very
> > small amounts (ie. only a few ounces) (-1/2)
> >18 Imaginary Arm: RKA: 1d6, NND (+1) [DEF: Depends on setting, see
> > below], Does BODY (+1), Continuous (+1), No Range (-1/2), Must
> > Follow Grab (-1/2), Only vs Living Things (-1/2), END 4
> First, the "Requires clear projection" should be considerably more than
> +1/4. After all, the target has to be willing to talk to you on a video
> phone. If he can't or won't (such as if he knows your power), he could be so
> close you can almost touch him, and completely out of reach. Gil also cannot
> reach you if you are in a picture, but he cannot fool his mind into
> "believing" that you are in arm's reach. If he is looking into a flat
> picture or a screen, and the object on the other side is obviously out of
> reach (the person on the other side is clearly a few feet from the camera),
> he cannot touch it at all. If he sees a holographic projection of a
> mountain, a three-dimensional picture like a Star Trek hologram, he can only
> use his power on those parts of the illusory mountain that are within reach
> of his hands. However, since he can reach _inside_ the projection of the
> mountain to feel the hidden cave, he might have _more_ than mere
> Clairsentient touch, but Clairsentient N-Ray Touch.
Well, his ability to reach inside of a video screen and move an object is
covered under this TK. The feeling around in projects is my attempt to
define what he did in "The Patchwork Girl". I wasn't certain if he could
fell 'inside' of an object (although he was able to drag his fingers
through dust pools) that was projected. I already gave hiim N-Ray Touch,
BTW, should't that work with his Clairsentience?
> Additionally, you forgot the "Retrocognition, only for examining exactly
> what is in a picture at the time the picture was taken". He could look at a
> 3D projection of an incinerated coffin, reach inside, and feel that the
> person inside wasn't who was supposed to have been cremated.
Uhm, which story did he pull that one off in?
- --
Michael Surbrook - susano@otd.com - http://www.otd.com/~susano/index.html
"What would you do with a brain if you *had* one?"
Dorothy (Judy Garland), from _The Wizard of Oz_
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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:34:54 -0700
From: "James Jandebeur" <james@javaman.to>
Subject: Re: Cyber HERO
> > However, I only point that out because it exists. Michael's stuff is
> > far better (which isn't really saying a whole lot, about either).
>
> Err... right.
That was a compliment, I should think: your work is better than it, which is
not saying much about your work. Your work is so good that saying it is
better than another work is not actually saying that other work is bad. Not
that I've seen your work, but that must be what was meant.
James
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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:36:51 -0700
From: "James Jandebeur" <james@javaman.to>
Subject: Re: Adv/Lim?
> > I'd go with the latter idea (Variable SFX with a Limitation --
> >specifically, I'd use No Conscious Control).
>
> Perfect. And if the user's personality were to suddenly change, poof, new
> SFX!
True enough, but I'd hesitate to charge for it unless it was going to come
up with some frequency. Still, between Focus and No Conscious Control (or
similar level of limitation), I suppose it won't be overly expensive.
JAJ, Gaming Philosopher
http://www.javaman.to/philosopher.html
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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:55:43 -0400
From: "Dave Mattingly" <dave@haymaker.win.net>
Subject: Re: Hero abbreviations
Once, in a Haymaker a long time ago, I made a Hero word search with every
Hero abbreviation I could think of.
Dave Mattingly
http://haymaker.org
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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:01:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Surbrook <susano@dedaana.otd.com>
Subject: Re: Hero abbreviations
On Mon, 28 Jun 1999, Dave Mattingly wrote:
> Once, in a Haymaker a long time ago, I made a Hero word search with every
> Hero abbreviation I could think of.
I don't suppose you have that in a file you could email me?
- --
Michael Surbrook - susano@otd.com - http://www.otd.com/~susano/index.html
"What would you do with a brain if you *had* one?"
Dorothy (Judy Garland), from _The Wizard of Oz_
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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:08:55 -0400
From: "Dave Mattingly" <dave@haymaker.win.net>
Subject: Re: Hero abbreviations
>> Once, in a Haymaker a long time ago, I made a Hero word search with every
>> Hero abbreviation I could think of.
>
>I don't suppose you have that in a file you could email me?
If I can find it, I'll e-mail it to the list.
Dave Mattingly
http://haymaker.org
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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:33:31 -0500
From: "Guy Hoyle" <ghoyle1@airmail.net>
Subject: Ocean Cruise Adventure
I'm trying to come up with a short adventure on an ocean liner for my pulp
campaign (1930's era). It's a sidebar for my regular adventure; most of my
regulars will probably be out of town. Since I have to run it this
Saturday night, I was hoping for some ideas about fun stuff to do on an
ocean cruise. They're starting in New York, and will end up (I think) in
South Africa.
It's a fairly tongue-in-cheek campaign, action-adventure with some elements
of the supernatural. The characters involved will be a rich young
socialite, a secret agent/master of disguise, and an American man who
travelled to the far east to learn its philosophy and martial arts.
If you can help me out, would appreciate the heck out of it. You can
forward this to anybody who might also be of help.
Guy
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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:55:46 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Dr. Nuncheon" <jeffj@io.com>
Subject: Re: Ocean Cruise Adventure
On Mon, 28 Jun 1999, Guy Hoyle wrote:
> I'm trying to come up with a short adventure on an ocean liner for my pulp
> campaign (1930's era). It's a sidebar for my regular adventure; most of my
> regulars will probably be out of town. Since I have to run it this
> Saturday night, I was hoping for some ideas about fun stuff to do on an
> ocean cruise. They're starting in New York, and will end up (I think) in
> South Africa.
>
> It's a fairly tongue-in-cheek campaign, action-adventure with some elements
> of the supernatural. The characters involved will be a rich young
> socialite, a secret agent/master of disguise, and an American man who
> travelled to the far east to learn its philosophy and martial arts.
Sure! See, there's this rich young lady who is going to be married to a
man she doesn't love, and a handsome (but poor) young lad who wants to woo
her...plus the mystery of a stolen diamond...and somewhere in there,
something happens to the ship...waitaminnit...how about...an iceberg!
OK, on a bit more serious note:
* One of the wealthy elite passengers lives a double life as a notorious
burglar. One of the other wealthy elite has a unique heirloom that winds
up stolen. The PCs have to help solve the crime. Possible Twists: one of
the PCs is framed for the crime. One of the PCs is friends with or being
romanced by the burglar. The burglar is actually framed for the crime by
someone else. The burglar pretends to have been framed when he is caught,
and asks the PCs to help him, even though he actually did it.
* The secret agent is drawn into a conspiracy involving the agents of an
enemy power. Perhaps they have secret information that could be damaging
to his country, and he has to retrieve it. Possible twists: the
information is fake. The information is real, but it's a red herring
designed to distract the secret agent from what's *really* going on. The
enemy agents actually work for a different power than they seem to.
* I can't think of a good one for the student of the East. Maybe if I
knew more about him...it could be that there is a noted scolar of the East
on board, or perhaps someone has a collection of Oriental artifacts or
writings with them whose subjects fascinate the scholar.
* Perhaps there have been sightings of a 'ghost ship' in the area.
Possible twists: a Red herring: hallucination, sensationalist
storytelling, etc. A real ghost ship. A real ship made to look like a
ghost ship for some reason (maybe the secret agents are going to
rendezvous with this ship?)
Bonus points if you decide to go with multiple plotlines, just to confuse
your players even more. Even more bonus points if you manage to tie them
all together (the secret agents stole the valuable heirloom which contains
secret knowledge of the East...) The time limit on the cruise should help
keep things rolling...
J
Hostes aliengeni me abduxerent. Jeff Johnston - jeffj@io.com
Qui annus est? http://www.io.com/~jeffj
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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:01:45 -0700
From: Bob Greenwade <bob.greenwade@klock.com>
Subject: Re: Adv/Lim?
At 03:25 PM 6/28/1999 -0400, David Nasset wrote:
>From: Bob Greenwade <bob.greenwade@klock.com>
>
>>
>>At 07:53 PM 6/27/1999 -0400, Juan Antonio Ramirez wrote:
>>>
>>>Here's what I want to do... I want to make this item (say a ring, a
>>>power bracelet, whatever) which has a set of powers which anybody who
>>>picks it up and wears it can use. By the way, Superhero setting...
>>>Well, the problem is the SFX. They are sorta variable... it depends on
>>>who picks it up.
><snip>
>>>I'm tempted to list it as a +/- 0 Adv/Lim ("SFX Reflects user's
>>>'heart'"), but I'm thinking maybe it's Variable SFX with a Limitation on
>>>the Advantage...
>>>What to you guys think?
>>
>> I'd go with the latter idea (Variable SFX with a Limitation --
>>specifically, I'd use No Conscious Control).
>
>Perfect. And if the user's personality were to suddenly change, poof, new
>SFX!
And all for a truly minimal investment (a +1/4 Advantage with a -2
Limitation on it will probably fall into the one-digit price range on this
item, even with multiple Powers).
- ---
Bob's Original Hero Stuff Page! [Circle of HEROS member]
http://www.klock.com/public/users/bob.greenwade/original.htm
Merry-Go-Round Webring -- wanna join?
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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:32:00 -0700
From: Bob Greenwade <bob.greenwade@klock.com>
Subject: Re: Need some help w/Martial maneuvers
At 12:06 PM 6/28/1999 -0700, Rodger Bright wrote:
>Something just dawned on me (with the help of Brian Wawrow). The v/5 element
>implies that any movement you do will add some damage to the attack...
i.e. if
>you make a half-move which is not your full half-move you get the v/5 added
>damage. The half-move element MUST mean that you HAVE to run your full
>half-move, or else why would it be a 1 point bonus if you could do the same
>thing with just the v/5 element?
The Half Move Required element means you must move to attack. If a
character (with or without this element) moves so much as 1", that's a Half
Move, taking up a Half Phase.
The v/5 element means you can move if you want to, or not but the
relative velocity between attacker and target will add to the damage. A
maneuver with this element can be performed without moving; you just don't
get that v/5 bonus.
It's possible to have either, both, or neither on a maneuver.
- ---
Bob's Original Hero Stuff Page! [Circle of HEROS member]
http://www.klock.com/public/users/bob.greenwade/original.htm
Merry-Go-Round Webring -- wanna join?
http://www.klock.com/public/users/bob.greenwade/merrhome.htm
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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:33:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ben Brown <benbrown@primenet.com>
Subject: Re: Ocean Cruise Adventure
On Mon, 28 Jun 1999, Dr. Nuncheon wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Jun 1999, Guy Hoyle wrote:
>
> > I'm trying to come up with a short adventure on an ocean liner for my pulp
> > campaign (1930's era). It's a sidebar for my regular adventure; most of my
> > regulars will probably be out of town. Since I have to run it this
> > Saturday night, I was hoping for some ideas about fun stuff to do on an
> > ocean cruise. They're starting in New York, and will end up (I think) in
> > South Africa.
> >
> > It's a fairly tongue-in-cheek campaign, action-adventure with some elements
> > of the supernatural. The characters involved will be a rich young
> > socialite, a secret agent/master of disguise, and an American man who
> > travelled to the far east to learn its philosophy and martial arts.
>
> * Perhaps there have been sightings of a 'ghost ship' in the area.
> Possible twists: a Red herring: hallucination, sensationalist
> storytelling, etc. A real ghost ship. A real ship made to look like a
> ghost ship for some reason (maybe the secret agents are going to
> rendezvous with this ship?)
>
Yes! If the destinaton is South Africa, a ghost ship works perfectly.
A rash of shipwrecks! Sightings of the legendary "Flying Dutchman"!
(cue Wagnerian music),
but is is the actual ghost, or merely a plot by a nefarious band of latter
day pirates to seize the cargo of the ships, or perhaps a plot by a Foreign
Power to scare mariners out of using the trade lanes, so that a Secret Cargo
from the Mysterious East can round the cape of good hope in absolute secrecy,
bound for Berlin (or Moscow, or Belgrade, or wherever).
The possibilities are absolutely limitless.
- -Ben
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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:33:06 -0700
From: Rodger Bright <rodger.bright@cbpr.com>
Subject: Re: Need some help w/Martial maneuvers
I see your point, but a half move could then be 1" step back, 1" step forward, and
you just did you "half-move", not very limiting in my opinion.
- --Rodger
Bob Greenwade wrote:
> At 12:06 PM 6/28/1999 -0700, Rodger Bright wrote:
> >Something just dawned on me (with the help of Brian Wawrow). The v/5 element
> >implies that any movement you do will add some damage to the attack...
> i.e. if
> >you make a half-move which is not your full half-move you get the v/5 added
> >damage. The half-move element MUST mean that you HAVE to run your full
> >half-move, or else why would it be a 1 point bonus if you could do the same
> >thing with just the v/5 element?
>
> The Half Move Required element means you must move to attack. If a
> character (with or without this element) moves so much as 1", that's a Half
> Move, taking up a Half Phase.
> The v/5 element means you can move if you want to, or not but the
> relative velocity between attacker and target will add to the damage. A
> maneuver with this element can be performed without moving; you just don't
> get that v/5 bonus.
> It's possible to have either, both, or neither on a maneuver.
> ---
> Bob's Original Hero Stuff Page! [Circle of HEROS member]
> http://www.klock.com/public/users/bob.greenwade/original.htm
> Merry-Go-Round Webring -- wanna join?
> http://www.klock.com/public/users/bob.greenwade/merrhome.htm
> Interested in sarrusophones? Join the Sarrusophone Mailing List!
> http://www.klock.com/public/users/bob.greenwade/sarrus.htm
- --
Rodger Bright, Senior Network Engineer
Copithorne & Bellows
100 First Street 26th Floor
San Francisco, CA 94105
[415]-975-2251 Direct, [415]-284-5200 Main
[415]-243-9664 FAX, [888]-519-8546 Pager
rodger.bright@cbpr.com
rodger.bright.pager@cbpr.com (Alpha Paging)
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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:49:44 -0400
From: David Nasset <dnasset@cns.eds.com>
Subject: RE: Need some help w/Martial maneuvers
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> I see your point, but a half move could then be 1" step back,
> 1" step forward, and
> you just did you "half-move", not very limiting in my opinion.
Possibly not, though, once an enemy saw the player use that move once, I'd
give them a bonus to their DCV when it is used again, due to the extreme
telegraphing of the attack.
Additionally, not all GMs will allow a 180 degree turn in a half move. But
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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:03:45 -0700
From: Christopher Taylor <christopherrt@home.net>
Subject: Re: Fantasy Hero Magic System Design
>Last year I decided that I didn't want mages to have to pay END for spells.
> Instead, I created a system using an Endurance Battery with a recovery
that only
>recovered once a day (upon meditation). The advantage, from my point of
view, was
>that it forced mage characters to husband their spells, using them more
>judiciously, which fit the tone of the campaign I am trying to run.
The system I used let mages use END to cast spells with but each spell they
cast uses up one LTE. This results in mages being careful what they cast
when, because they are able to do less and less as time goes by. Even with
an END battery, their personal endurance goes away, and this means stuff
like running and fighting gets tougher. It is VERY rare to find anything
that lets you heal or have extra LTE, so it works rather well for me.
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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 19:14:41 -0400
From: Juan Antonio Ramirez <tonio@prtc.net>
Subject: Re: Adv/Lim?
Bob Greenwade wrote:
> At 03:25 PM 6/28/1999 -0400, David Nasset wrote:
> >From: Bob Greenwade <bob.greenwade@klock.com>
> >
> >>
> >>At 07:53 PM 6/27/1999 -0400, Juan Antonio Ramirez wrote:
> >>>
> >>>Here's what I want to do... I want to make this item (say a ring, a
> >>>power bracelet, whatever) which has a set of powers which anybody who
> >>>picks it up and wears it can use. By the way, Superhero setting...
> >>>Well, the problem is the SFX. They are sorta variable... it depends on
> >>>who picks it up.
> ><snip>
> >>>I'm tempted to list it as a +/- 0 Adv/Lim ("SFX Reflects user's
> >>>'heart'"), but I'm thinking maybe it's Variable SFX with a Limitation on
> >>>the Advantage...
> >>>What to you guys think?
> >>
> >> I'd go with the latter idea (Variable SFX with a Limitation --
> >>specifically, I'd use No Conscious Control).
>
> >
> >Perfect. And if the user's personality were to suddenly change, poof, new
> >SFX!
>
Hmmm.... I like this... 8)
>
> And all for a truly minimal investment (a +1/4 Advantage with a -2
> Limitation on it will probably fall into the one-digit price range on this
> item, even with multiple Powers).
How do you figure?
Say... um, 8d6 EB, Variable SFX (Any): +1/2, No Concious Control on VSFX: -2,
OIF (Bracelet, ring, whatever): -1/2, Independent: -2... that'd be
40 + (40 * 0.5 / (1+2)) = 47 APs
47 / 3.5 = 13 (Real Cost)
And that's just one power...
>
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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 19:18:29 -0400
From: David Nasset <dnasset@cns.eds.com>
Subject: RE: Adv/Lim?
From: Juan Antonio Ramirez [mailto:tonio@prtc.net]
<snip>
> > And all for a truly minimal investment (a +1/4 Advantage
> with a -2
> > Limitation on it will probably fall into the one-digit
> price range on this
> > item, even with multiple Powers).
>
> How do you figure?
> Say... um, 8d6 EB, Variable SFX (Any): +1/2, No Concious
> Control on VSFX: -2,
> OIF (Bracelet, ring, whatever): -1/2, Independent: -2... that'd be
> 40 + (40 * 0.5 / (1+2)) = 47 APs
> 47 / 3.5 = 13 (Real Cost)
> And that's just one power...
You misunderstood, I think. Consider the above Power, w/o the Variable SFX
and NCC.
40/3.5= 11 Real Cost
So, you get the Variable SFX (Any) w/NCC for only 2 pts. That's the "minimal
investment" that Bob referred to.
Filksinger
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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 19:31:44 -0400
From: Juan Antonio Ramirez <tonio@prtc.net>
Subject: Re: Adv/Lim?
David Nasset wrote:
> From: Juan Antonio Ramirez [mailto:tonio@prtc.net]
>
> <snip>
> > > And all for a truly minimal investment (a +1/4 Advantage
> > with a -2
> > > Limitation on it will probably fall into the one-digit
> > price range on this
> > > item, even with multiple Powers).
> >
> > How do you figure?
> > Say... um, 8d6 EB, Variable SFX (Any): +1/2, No Concious
> > Control on VSFX: -2,
> > OIF (Bracelet, ring, whatever): -1/2, Independent: -2... that'd be
> > 40 + (40 * 0.5 / (1+2)) = 47 APs
> > 47 / 3.5 = 13 (Real Cost)
> > And that's just one power...
>
> You misunderstood, I think. Consider the above Power, w/o the Variable SFX
> and NCC.
>
> 40/3.5= 11 Real Cost
>
> So, you get the Variable SFX (Any) w/NCC for only 2 pts. That's the "minimal
> investment" that Bob referred to.
>
Oooohhhh... well, yeah, but think about it... is it really that useful anyway?
>
> Filksinger
- --Tonio
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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:04:16 -0700
From: Bob Greenwade <bob.greenwade@klock.com>
Subject: Re: Cyber HERO
At 01:34 PM 6/28/1999 -0700, James Jandebeur wrote:
>> > However, I only point that out because it exists. Michael's stuff is
>> > far better (which isn't really saying a whole lot, about either).
>>
>> Err... right.
>
>That was a compliment, I should think: your work is better than it, which is
>not saying much about your work. Your work is so good that saying it is
>better than another work is not actually saying that other work is bad. Not
>that I've seen your work, but that must be what was meant.
You are precisely right, James. :-]
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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:19:05 -0700
From: Bob Greenwade <bob.greenwade@klock.com>
Subject: Re: Ocean Cruise Adventure
At 04:33 PM 6/28/1999 -0500, Guy Hoyle wrote:
>I'm trying to come up with a short adventure on an ocean liner for my pulp
>campaign (1930's era). It's a sidebar for my regular adventure; most of my
>regulars will probably be out of town. Since I have to run it this
>Saturday night, I was hoping for some ideas about fun stuff to do on an
>ocean cruise. They're starting in New York, and will end up (I think) in
>South Africa.
>
>It's a fairly tongue-in-cheek campaign, action-adventure with some elements
>of the supernatural. The characters involved will be a rich young
>socialite, a secret agent/master of disguise, and an American man who
>travelled to the far east to learn its philosophy and martial arts.
>
>If you can help me out, would appreciate the heck out of it. You can
>forward this to anybody who might also be of help.
If you want to play up the tongue-in-cheek, fold in references to other
famous cruise ships. For example, members of the crew can bear uncanny
resemblences to the crew of the Love Boat (either "wave"). You can
introduce a side plot lifted directly from James Cameron's "Titanic," where
a rich young girl (maybe an old friend of your socialite PC) doesn't really
want to marry the snobbish young man she's being fixed up with.
Or dropping in bits from other genres. "Murder on the Orient Express"
can make for a good bit, or even a secondary plot. Nods to some of the
"Airport" movies can be effective for a quick laugh. Given the presence of
the supernatural in your plots, perhaps two of the passengers are a certain
pair of FBI agents who specialize in that sort of thing. It might even not
hurt to make crew members act not like the Love Boat crew, but like one of
the Star Trek crews.
I think someone suggested a "Flying Dutchman" plot or element, but you
can tie in the PCs by making the aforementioned snobbish young man part of
a "respected" family of import/export moguls, who actually are smugglers (a
way to tie in the secret agent man). Under the guise of a hoity-toity
wedding cruise (where the captain will preside over the ceremony on the
last day, and everyone except the happy couple return home by jet after the
cruise), the family is smuggling a stolen Chinese artifact to a secret
collector (this would tie in the martial artist). Of course, the artifact
has strange mystical powers (perhaps you can borrow elements of the
Super-Boxers scenario in Ninja Hero, if you have it).
Anyway, that's what I can come up with offhand. (Note that I wrote the
above having seen Ben's reply, but not Doc's.)
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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:05:42 -0700
From: Bob Greenwade <bob.greenwade@klock.com>
Subject: Re: Need some help w/Martial maneuvers
At 03:33 PM 6/28/1999 -0700, Rodger Bright wrote:
>I see your point, but a half move could then be 1" step back, 1" step
forward, and
>you just did you "half-move", not very limiting in my opinion.
It's plenty limiting if the character has a limb Grabbed, is partially
Entangled, or is in an enclosed space such as an elevator.
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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 19:29:47 -0400
From: David Nasset <dnasset@cns.eds.com>
Subject: RE: Ocean Cruise Adventure
From: Ben Brown [mailto:benbrown@primenet.com]
<snip>
> Yes! If the destinaton is South Africa, a ghost ship works perfectly.
>
> A rash of shipwrecks! Sightings of the legendary "Flying Dutchman"!
>
> (cue Wagnerian music),
>
> but is is the actual ghost, or merely a plot by a nefarious
> band of latter
> day pirates to seize the cargo of the ships, or perhaps a
> plot by a Foreign
> Power to scare mariners out of using the trade lanes, so that
> a Secret Cargo
> from the Mysterious East can round the cape of good hope in
> absolute secrecy,
> bound for Berlin (or Moscow, or Belgrade, or wherever).
>
> The possibilities are absolutely limitless.
Well, depending upon how silly you want it to get, you might want to limit
it a touch.
For example, your last idea. What kind of cargo is so big that other ships
will automatically see it as you sail about? You want to make certain that
your cargo is such that the players won't ask, "Why didn't you just claim it
was crates of macadamia nuts?"
Filksinger
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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:29:36 -0700
From: Rodger Bright <rodger.bright@cbpr.com>
Subject: Re: Adv/Lim?
It makes more sense that no concious control on the variable SFX would be only a
- -1/2 limitation, since they really arent limiting the power. You still have a
energy blast that you can use when you want.. the effect is just slightly
different for each user, the full -2 on no Concious Control would be for the whole
power, which would mean it only works when you least expect it to.
- --Rodger
Juan Antonio Ramirez wrote:
> David Nasset wrote:
>
> > From: Juan Antonio Ramirez [mailto:tonio@prtc.net]
> >
> > <snip>
> > > > And all for a truly minimal investment (a +1/4 Advantage
> > > with a -2
> > > > Limitation on it will probably fall into the one-digit
> > > price range on this
> > > > item, even with multiple Powers).
> > >
> > > How do you figure?
> > > Say... um, 8d6 EB, Variable SFX (Any): +1/2, No Concious
> > > Control on VSFX: -2,
> > > OIF (Bracelet, ring, whatever): -1/2, Independent: -2... that'd be
> > > 40 + (40 * 0.5 / (1+2)) = 47 APs
> > > 47 / 3.5 = 13 (Real Cost)
> > > And that's just one power...
> >
> > You misunderstood, I think. Consider the above Power, w/o the Variable SFX
> > and NCC.
> >
> > 40/3.5= 11 Real Cost
> >
> > So, you get the Variable SFX (Any) w/NCC for only 2 pts. That's the "minimal
> > investment" that Bob referred to.
> >
>
> Oooohhhh... well, yeah, but think about it... is it really that useful anyway?
>
> >
> > Filksinger
>
> --Tonio
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