Digest Archive vol 1 Issue 459

Digest Archive vol 1 Issue 459
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champ-l-digest Monday, July 19 1999 Volume 01 : Number 459

In this issue:

Re: Linked Powers and ECs
Re: SPARTAN!!!
Re: SPARTAN!!!
Character question
RE: OIHID?
Re: Character question
RE: Character question
Re: Linked Powers and ECs
[OT] SETI
Re: Linked Powers and ECs
RE: OIHID?

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Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 21:09:16 -0700
From: Christopher Taylor <christopherrt@home.net>
Subject: Re: Linked Powers and ECs

>| Ok, this may be a dumb question but what does BBB stand for. I
>| assume you mean the Hero System Rulesbook but cannot figure out what BBB
>| means.
>
>The "Big Blue Book", meaning the hardcover fourth edition rulebook (also
>the softcover version). The usage encompases CD, "Champions Deluxe", which
>is the hardcover version bundled with the final version of Heromaker.

It basically is part of the net-wide problem that started with Bulliten
Board systems, that of pointless abbreviation. The Internet is full of
such nonsense, which leaves most people in the dark and makes the whole
thing more difficult and cryptic than it has to be. Champions Rules is
pretty simple to type out. My personal pet peeve is typing out ur instead
of your, ooh you saved 2 letters, and that could mean big money!

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Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 21:12:30 -0700
From: Christopher Taylor <christopherrt@home.net>
Subject: Re: SPARTAN!!!

>>I am unsure about... How simulate a character Like Spartan of Wildcats ?
(IMAGE)
>>I mean... no probs about the BioBlast but... when Spartan dies, another
>>body is ready and his mind is immediatly trasported to the new body so he
>>is live again.
>>(Extra lives ?!?!??!?! noooo pleaseeeeee)So he is virtually indistructible,
>>and the only way to kill him is to not allow for his mind to get the body
>>(breaking the machines that make Spartan's body). I though about :
>>
>>Regeneration , After Death +2 ONLY after Death -1/2 2Body Rigeneration
>>
>>Teleport Only when dies 0 End 10 m / *X NCM (x the value that can cover
>>all world)
>>
>>(The way to kill him is to destroy the machines)
>
>Duplication triggered - destruction of current body- with charges?

That is similar to how I built Noman of the T.H.U.N.D.E.R. Agents (the
original idea for this character, although he had invisibility, not the
ability to be blown apart in every comic like Spartan).

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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 06:58:22 GMT
From: samael@clark.net (Acid Rainbow)
Subject: Re: SPARTAN!!!

On Sun, 18 Jul 1999 21:12:30 -0700, Christopher Taylor
<christopherrt@home.net> sent these symbols into the net:

>That is similar to how I built Noman of the T.H.U.N.D.E.R. Agents (the
>original idea for this character, although he had invisibility, not the
>ability to be blown apart in every comic like Spartan).

IIRC, Noman had 3 android bodies available (I guess if he lost one it
could be replaced given time.) and one cloak of invisibility.

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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 12:47:52 +0200
From: Henrik Giese <henrik.giese@lgp.se>
Subject: Character question

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I've recently made up a character for a PBEM. My problem is that I've =
used
so many house rules before that I'm not sure how legal I've made it. =
Any
comments welcome.

CHAR: Rainbow Dragon

PTS: CHAR: VALUE:IN DRAGON SHAPE:
3 STR 13 23
12 DEX 14 18
6 CON 13 18
0 BODY 10 12
3 INT 13 13
2 EGO 11 11
3 PRE 13 18
1 COM 12 12
1 PD 4 6
1 ED 4 5
6 SPD 3 4
0 REC 6 9
0 END 26 36
0 STUN 24 33

PTS: END: (Active points) POWER:
10 - (12) DEX+4, dragon shape only (-1/4)
8 - (10) CON+5, dragon shape only (-1/4)
4 - (5) PRE+5, dragon shape only (-1/4)
5 - (6) SPd+1, dragon shape only (-1/4)
1 - (3) Mental awareness, 11- act (-1)
3 - (5) IR vision, 14- act (-1/2)
3 - (5) Extra limb: tail, 14- act (-1/2)
3 - (3) 1PD/1ED armor
8 - (10) EC-Dragon, dragon shape only (-1/4)
5 - (20) 10 points growth, 0 END persistent (+1), 1 phase at 0
DCV to start (-3/4), full power only (-1/4)
3 - (20) 4D6 absorption to STUN, 1 phase at 0 DCV to start
(-3/4), linked to growth (-1/2), only vs/ one of the following: Fire =
(Red),
Electricity (Blue), Cold (White), Poison (Green) depends on current or =
last
used multipower slot (-1)
6 2 (21) 8" flight, x4 nc (32"), restrainable wings (-1/2), only
as dragon (-1/4)
4 - (+18) +6PD/+6ED armor, 1 phase at 0 DCV to start (-3/4),
linked to growth (-1/2)
20 - (30) Multipower, 14- act (-1/2)
7 - (+15) Multipower, 14- act (-1/2), not in water (-1/4),
dragon shape only (-1/4)
2 u 4 (45) Firebreath: 6D6 EB vs/ED EX (+1/2), 14- act (-1/2), not
in water (-1/4), dragon shape only (red)(-1/4)
2 u 2 (45) Coldbreath: 2D6 drain vs/ STR/END/STUN, AE cone:4"
(+1), =BD END cost (+1/4), 14- act (-1/2), not in water (-1/4), dragon =
shape
only (white) (-1/4)
2 u 4 (45) Poison gas breath: 3D6 NND vs/self-contained breathing
(+1), AE radius: 3"
(+1), 14- act (-1/2), not in water (-1/4), dragon shape only (green) =
(-1/4)
1 u 3 (30) Lightning: 2D6 RKA vs/ED, 14- act (-1/2), not in water
(-1/4)
1 u +1 (+15) Lightning breath: +1D6 RKA (+1), 14- act (-1/2), not
in water (-1/4), dragon shape only (blue) (-1/4)
1 u 2 (25) Claw/bite: 2D6-1 HKA, no knockback (-1/4), 14- act
(-1/2), dragon shape only (-1/4)
1 u 3 (30) Ranged electrostatic field: DEF 6 force wall), 14- act
(-1/2), not in water (-1/4), human shape only (-1/4)
1 u 3 (30) Bright lightning: 3D6 flash), 14- act (-1/2), not in
water (-1/4), human shape only (-1/4)
1 u 2 (20) Tail-lash: 6=BDD6 HA, 14- act (-1/2)
1 u 2 (20) Healing (bio-manipulation): 4D6 healing, 14- act (-1/2)
1 u 2 (20) Lightning movement: 10" teleport, 14- act (-1/2)
1 u 1 (10) Passive electrostatic field: 5PD/5ED force field, 14-
act (-1/2)
1 u 1 (10) Electromagnetic levitation: 5" flight, 14- act (-1/2)
1 u 1 (10) Internal bio-electric charge: +10 STR, does not add to
figured stats (-1/2), 14- act (-1/2)

PTS: ROLL: SKILL:
1 8- SC-Biology
1 8- Breakfall
0 8- Climbing
0 8- Concealment
0 8- Conversation
0 8- Deduction
0 8- Paramedic
0 8- Shadowing
0 8- Stealth
0 8- TF-Small ground vehicles
0 8- AK-Sweden
0 8- PS-Painting
0 - Language: Swedish (native)
3 - Language: English (fluent conversation)

PTS: DISADVANTAGE:
15 Distinctive feature: Dragonish human, 4' long scaly tail, horns,
golden slit-pupilled eyes (Con, A)
5 Distinctive feature as dragon: 9', 700 lbs. dragon (NCon, E)
15 Psych.lim: Code against killing (Com, Str)
10 Psych.lim: Unhappy about the way she looks, desperately wants a
friend who don't care about her looks (UnCom, Str)
5 Vulnerability: 2xSTUN&BODY from opposed element in dragon form (Red:
cold, White: fire/heat, Blue: water/liquids, Green: Penetrating or =
AVLD/NND
does BODY but is NOT a poison) (UnCom)

38 Characteristics total
107 Powers total
5 Skills total
150 Total cost

100 Base
50 Disadvantage total
150 Total points

NOTES:
The absorbation and vulnerability depends upon the last "breath attack" =
slot
in the multipower used.

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I've recently made up a character for a PBEM. My =
problem is that I've used so many house rules before that I'm not sure =
how legal I've made it. Any comments welcome.

CHAR: Rainbow Dragon


PTS:    CHAR:   VALUE:IN =
DRAGON SHAPE:
 3       =
STR     13      23
 12      =
DEX     14      18
 6       =
CON     13      18
 0       =
BODY    10      12
 3       =
INT     13      13
 2       =
EGO     11      11
 3       =
PRE     13      18
 1       =
COM     12      12
 1       =
PD      4       =
6
 1       =
ED      4       =
5
 6       =
SPD     3       =
4
 0       =
REC     6       =
9
 0       =
END     26      36
 0       =
STUN    24      33


PTS:    END:    (Active =
points) POWER:
 10      =
- -       (12) DEX+4, dragon shape only =
(-1/4)
 8       =
- -       (10) CON+5, dragon shape only =
(-1/4)
 4       =
- -       (5) PRE+5, dragon shape only =
(-1/4)
 5       =
- -       (6) SPd+1, dragon shape only =
(-1/4)
 1       =
- -       (3) Mental awareness, 11- act =
(-1)
 3       =
- -       (5) IR vision, 14- act =
(-1/2)
 3       =
- -       (5) Extra limb: tail, 14- act =
(-1/2)
 3       =
- -       (3) 1PD/1ED armor
 8       =
- -       (10) EC-Dragon, dragon shape only =
(-1/4)
 5       =
- -       (20) 10 points growth, 0 END =
persistent (+1), 1 phase at 0 DCV to start (-3/4), full power only =
(-1/4)
 3       =
- -       (20) 4D6 absorption to STUN, 1 =
phase at 0 DCV to start (-3/4), linked to growth (-1/2), only vs/ one =
of the following: Fire (Red), Electricity (Blue), Cold (White), Poison =
(Green) depends on current or last used multipower slot (-1)

6       =
2       (21) 8" flight, x4 nc =
(32"), restrainable wings (-1/2), only as dragon (-1/4)
 4       =
- -       (+18) +6PD/+6ED armor, 1 phase at =
0 DCV to start (-3/4), linked to growth (-1/2)
 20      =
- -       (30) Multipower, 14- act =
(-1/2)
 7       =
- -       (+15) Multipower, 14- act (-1/2), =
not in water (-1/4), dragon shape only (-1/4)
 2 u     =
4       (45) Firebreath: 6D6 EB vs/ED EX =
(+1/2), 14- act (-1/2), not in water (-1/4), dragon shape only =
(red)(-1/4)

2 u     =
2       (45) Coldbreath: 2D6 drain vs/ =
STR/END/STUN, AE cone:4" (+1), =BD END cost (+1/4), 14- act =
(-1/2), not in water (-1/4), dragon shape only (white) =
(-1/4)

2 u     =
4       (45) Poison gas breath: 3D6 NND =
vs/self-contained breathing (+1), AE radius: 3"
  (+1), 14- act (-1/2), not in water (-1/4), =
dragon shape only (green) (-1/4)
 1 u     =
3       (30) Lightning: 2D6 RKA vs/ED, =
14- act (-1/2), not in water (-1/4)
 1 u     =
+1      (+15) Lightning breath: +1D6 RKA (+1), =
14- act (-1/2), not in water (-1/4), dragon shape only (blue) =
(-1/4)

1 u     =
2       (25) Claw/bite: 2D6-1 HKA, no =
knockback (-1/4), 14- act (-1/2), dragon shape only (-1/4)
 1 u     =
3       (30) Ranged electrostatic field: =
DEF 6 force wall), 14- act (-1/2), not in water (-1/4), human shape =
only (-1/4)

1 u     =
3       (30) Bright lightning: 3D6 =
flash), 14- act (-1/2), not in water (-1/4), human shape only =
(-1/4)
 1 u     =
2       (20) Tail-lash: 6=BDD6 HA, 14- =
act (-1/2)
 1 u     =
2       (20) Healing (bio-manipulation): =
4D6 healing, 14- act (-1/2)
 1 u     =
2       (20) Lightning movement: 10" =
teleport, 14- act (-1/2)
 1 u     =
1       (10) Passive electrostatic field: =
5PD/5ED force field, 14- act (-1/2)
 1 u     =
1       (10) Electromagnetic levitation: =
5" flight, 14- act (-1/2)
 1 u     =
1       (10) Internal bio-electric =
charge: +10 STR, does not add to figured stats (-1/2), 14- act =
(-1/2)


PTS:    ROLL:   =
SKILL:
 1       =
8-      SC-Biology
 1       =
8-      Breakfall
 0       =
8-      Climbing
 0       =
8-      Concealment
 0       =
8-      Conversation
 0       =
8-      Deduction
 0       =
8-      Paramedic
 0       =
8-      Shadowing
 0       =
8-      Stealth
 0       =
8-      TF-Small ground vehicles
 0       =
8-      AK-Sweden
 0       =
8-      PS-Painting
 0       =
- -       Language: Swedish (native)
 3       =
- -       Language: English (fluent =
conversation)


PTS:    DISADVANTAGE:
 15      Distinctive =
feature: Dragonish human, 4' long scaly tail, horns, golden =
slit-pupilled eyes (Con, A)
 5       Distinctive =
feature as dragon: 9', 700 lbs. dragon (NCon, E)
 15      Psych.lim: Code =
against killing (Com, Str)
 10      Psych.lim: Unhappy =
about the way she looks, desperately wants a friend who don't care =
about her looks (UnCom, Str)

5       Vulnerability: =
2xSTUN&BODY from opposed element in dragon form (Red: cold, White: =
fire/heat, Blue: water/liquids, Green: Penetrating or AVLD/NND does =
BODY but is NOT a poison) (UnCom)

38      Characteristics =
total
 107     Powers total
 5       Skills =
total
 150     Total cost


100     Base
 50      Disadvantage =
total
 150     Total points


NOTES:
 The absorbation and vulnerability depends upon the =
last "breath attack" slot in the multipower used.


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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 07:22:25 EDT
From: Leah L Watts <llwatts@juno.com>
Subject: RE: OIHID?

>Again, I have always assumed that OIHID was for any character that
switched
>forms. I also assumed that to switch forms a character needs Instant
Change.

I once used OIHID for an "unloseable focus" (the character had Flash
Defense built into her mask) without Instant Change, it worked fine.
Though, most of the time I've used it, I also gave the character Instant
Change as well -- it's certainly simpler than looking for a public
restroom to change clothes :) .

Leah

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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 10:40:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Desmarais <johndesmarais@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Character question

- --- Henrik Giese <henrik.giese@lgp.se> wrote:
> I've recently made up a character for a PBEM. My problem is that I've used
> so many house rules before that I'm not sure how legal I've made it. Any
> comments welcome.
>
> CHAR: Rainbow Dragon
>
> PTS: CHAR: VALUE:IN DRAGON SHAPE:
> 3 STR 13 23
> 12 DEX 14 18
> 6 CON 13 18
> 0 BODY 10 12
> 3 INT 13 13
> 2 EGO 11 11
> 3 PRE 13 18
> 1 COM 12 12
> 1 PD 4 6
> 1 ED 4 5
> 6 SPD 3 4
> 0 REC 6 9
> 0 END 26 36
> 0 STUN 24 33
>
> PTS: END: (Active points) POWER:
> 10 - (12) DEX+4, dragon shape only (-1/4)
> 8 - (10) CON+5, dragon shape only (-1/4)
> 4 - (5) PRE+5, dragon shape only (-1/4)
> 5 - (6) SPd+1, dragon shape only (-1/4)
> 1 - (3) Mental awareness, 11- act (-1)
> 3 - (5) IR vision, 14- act (-1/2)
> 3 - (5) Extra limb: tail, 14- act (-1/2)
> 3 - (3) 1PD/1ED armor

> 8 - (10) EC-Dragon, dragon shape only (-1/4)
> 5 - (20) 10 points growth, 0 END persistent (+1), 1 phase at 0
> DCV to start (-3/4), full power only (-1/4)
> 3 - (20) 4D6 absorption to STUN, 1 phase at 0 DCV to start
> (-3/4), linked to growth (-1/2), only vs/ one of the following: Fire (Red),
> Electricity (Blue), Cold (White), Poison (Green) depends on current or last
> used multipower slot (-1)
> 6 2 (21) 8" flight, x4 nc (32"), restrainable wings (-1/2), only
> as dragon (-1/4)
> 4 - (+18) +6PD/+6ED armor, 1 phase at 0 DCV to start (-3/4),
> linked to growth (-1/2)

As has been discussed in the last couple of days on this list, linking a power
in an EC to another power in a differnt slot of the EC is a definate no-no.

> 20 - (30) Multipower, 14- act (-1/2)
> 7 - (+15) Multipower, 14- act (-1/2), not in water (-1/4),
> dragon shape only (-1/4)
> 2 u 4 (45) Firebreath: 6D6 EB vs/ED EX (+1/2), 14- act (-1/2), not
> in water (-1/4), dragon shape only (red)(-1/4)
> 2 u 2 (45) Coldbreath: 2D6 drain vs/ STR/END/STUN, AE cone:4"
> (+1), � END cost (+1/4), 14- act (-1/2), not in water (-1/4), dragon shape
> only (white) (-1/4)
> 2 u 4 (45) Poison gas breath: 3D6 NND vs/self-contained breathing
> (+1), AE radius: 3"
> (+1), 14- act (-1/2), not in water (-1/4), dragon shape only (green) (-1/4)
> 1 u 3 (30) Lightning: 2D6 RKA vs/ED, 14- act (-1/2), not in water
> (-1/4)
> 1 u +1 (+15) Lightning breath: +1D6 RKA (+1), 14- act (-1/2), not
> in water (-1/4), dragon shape only (blue) (-1/4)
> 1 u 2 (25) Claw/bite: 2D6-1 HKA, no knockback (-1/4), 14- act
> (-1/2), dragon shape only (-1/4)
> 1 u 3 (30) Ranged electrostatic field: DEF 6 force wall), 14- act
> (-1/2), not in water (-1/4), human shape only (-1/4)
> 1 u 3 (30) Bright lightning: 3D6 flash), 14- act (-1/2), not in
> water (-1/4), human shape only (-1/4)
> 1 u 2 (20) Tail-lash: 6�D6 HA, 14- act (-1/2)
> 1 u 2 (20) Healing (bio-manipulation): 4D6 healing, 14- act (-1/2)
> 1 u 2 (20) Lightning movement: 10" teleport, 14- act (-1/2)
> 1 u 1 (10) Passive electrostatic field: 5PD/5ED force field, 14-
> act (-1/2)
> 1 u 1 (10) Electromagnetic levitation: 5" flight, 14- act (-1/2)
> 1 u 1 (10) Internal bio-electric charge: +10 STR, does not add to
> figured stats (-1/2), 14- act (-1/2)
>
> PTS: ROLL: SKILL:
> 1 8- SC-Biology
> 1 8- Breakfall
> 0 8- Climbing
> 0 8- Concealment
> 0 8- Conversation
> 0 8- Deduction
> 0 8- Paramedic
> 0 8- Shadowing
> 0 8- Stealth
> 0 8- TF-Small ground vehicles
> 0 8- AK-Sweden
> 0 8- PS-Painting
> 0 - Language: Swedish (native)
> 3 - Language: English (fluent conversation)
>
> PTS: DISADVANTAGE:
> 15 Distinctive feature: Dragonish human, 4' long scaly tail, horns,
> golden slit-pupilled eyes (Con, A)
> 5 Distinctive feature as dragon: 9', 700 lbs. dragon (NCon, E)
> 15 Psych.lim: Code against killing (Com, Str)
> 10 Psych.lim: Unhappy about the way she looks, desperately wants a
> friend who don't care about her looks (UnCom, Str)
> 5 Vulnerability: 2xSTUN&BODY from opposed element in dragon form (Red:
> cold, White: fire/heat, Blue: water/liquids, Green: Penetrating or AVLD/NND
> does BODY but is NOT a poison) (UnCom)
>
> 38 Characteristics total
> 107 Powers total
> 5 Skills total
> 150 Total cost
>
> 100 Base
> 50 Disadvantage total
> 150 Total points
>
> NOTES:
> The absorbation and vulnerability depends upon the last "breath attack" slot
> in the multipower used.

I don't see anything that differentiates dragon form from Human form (I was
looking for something like shapeshift).

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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 16:49:43 +0200
From: Henrik Giese <henrik.giese@lgp.se>
Subject: RE: Character question

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> 8 - (10) EC-Dragon, dragon shape only (-1/4)
> 5 - (20) 10 points growth, 0 END persistent (+1), 1 phase at 0
> DCV to start (-3/4), full power only (-1/4)
> 3 - (20) 4D6 absorption to STUN, 1 phase at 0 DCV to start
> (-3/4), linked to growth (-1/2), only vs/ one of the following: Fire
(Red),
> Electricity (Blue), Cold (White), Poison (Green) depends on current =
or
last
> used multipower slot (-1)
> 6 2 (21) 8" flight, x4 nc (32"), restrainable wings (-1/2), only
> as dragon (-1/4)
> 4 - (+18) +6PD/+6ED armor, 1 phase at 0 DCV to start (-3/4),
> linked to growth (-1/2)

As has been discussed in the last couple of days on this list, linking =
a
power
in an EC to another power in a differnt slot of the EC is a definate =
no-no.

*****************
Just read those mails (shows what I've forgotten). What's the =
limitation for
"must be used with" then? 1/4? It IS a limitation after all.

> 20 - (30) Multipower, 14- act (-1/2)
> 7 - (+15) Multipower, 14- act (-1/2), not in water (-1/4),
> dragon shape only (-1/4)
> 2 u 4 (45) Firebreath: 6D6 EB vs/ED EX (+1/2), 14- act (-1/2), not
> in water (-1/4), dragon shape only (red)(-1/4)
> 2 u 2 (45) Coldbreath: 2D6 drain vs/ STR/END/STUN, AE cone:4"
> (+1), =BD END cost (+1/4), 14- act (-1/2), not in water (-1/4), =
dragon shape
> only (white) (-1/4)
> 2 u 4 (45) Poison gas breath: 3D6 NND vs/self-contained breathing
> (+1), AE radius: 3"
> (+1), 14- act (-1/2), not in water (-1/4), dragon shape only (green)
(-1/4)
> 1 u 3 (30) Lightning: 2D6 RKA vs/ED, 14- act (-1/2), not in water
> (-1/4)
> 1 u +1 (+15) Lightning breath: +1D6 RKA (+1), 14- act (-1/2), not
> in water (-1/4), dragon shape only (blue) (-1/4)
> 1 u 2 (25) Claw/bite: 2D6-1 HKA, no knockback (-1/4), 14- act
> (-1/2), dragon shape only (-1/4)
> 1 u 3 (30) Ranged electrostatic field: DEF 6 force wall), 14- act
> (-1/2), not in water (-1/4), human shape only (-1/4)
> 1 u 3 (30) Bright lightning: 3D6 flash), 14- act (-1/2), not in
> water (-1/4), human shape only (-1/4)
> 1 u 2 (20) Tail-lash: 6=BDD6 HA, 14- act (-1/2)
> 1 u 2 (20) Healing (bio-manipulation): 4D6 healing, 14- act (-1/2)
> 1 u 2 (20) Lightning movement: 10" teleport, 14- act (-1/2)
> 1 u 1 (10) Passive electrostatic field: 5PD/5ED force field, 14-
> act (-1/2)
> 1 u 1 (10) Electromagnetic levitation: 5" flight, 14- act (-1/2)
> 1 u 1 (10) Internal bio-electric charge: +10 STR, does not add to
> figured stats (-1/2), 14- act (-1/2)
>=20
> PTS: DISADVANTAGE:
> 15 Distinctive feature: Dragonish human, 4' long scaly tail, horns,
> golden slit-pupilled eyes (Con, A)
> 5 Distinctive feature as dragon: 9', 700 lbs. dragon (NCon, E)
> 15 Psych.lim: Code against killing (Com, Str)
> 10 Psych.lim: Unhappy about the way she looks, desperately wants a
> friend who don't care about her looks (UnCom, Str)
> 5 Vulnerability: 2xSTUN&BODY from opposed element in dragon form =
(Red:
> cold, White: fire/heat, Blue: water/liquids, Green: Penetrating or
AVLD/NND
> does BODY but is NOT a poison) (UnCom)
>=20
> 38 Characteristics total
> 107 Powers total
> 5 Skills total
> 150 Total cost
>=20
> 100 Base
> 50 Disadvantage total
> 150 Total points
>=20
> NOTES:
> The absorbation and vulnerability depends upon the last "breath =
attack"
slot
> in the multipower used.

I don't see anything that differentiates dragon form from Human form (I =
was
looking for something like shapeshift).

**************
The growth and distinctive features. I figured I didn't have to pay =
points
for something that didn't give an advantage, and I couldn't figure out =
what
kind of advantage the different apperance would give (it's not like I =
could
use the dragon form for disguise).=20

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> 8     =
- -       (10) EC-Dragon, dragon shape only =
(-1/4)
 > 5     =
- -       (20) 10 points growth, 0 END =
persistent (+1), 1 phase at 0
 > DCV to start (-3/4), full power only =
(-1/4)
 > 3     =
- -       (20) 4D6 absorption to STUN, 1 =
phase at 0 DCV to start
 > (-3/4), linked to growth (-1/2), only vs/ one =
of the following: Fire (Red),
 > Electricity (Blue), Cold (White), Poison =
(Green) depends on current or last
 > used multipower slot (-1)
 > 6     =
2       (21) 8" flight, x4 nc =
(32"), restrainable wings (-1/2), only
 > as dragon (-1/4)
 > 4     =
- -       (+18) +6PD/+6ED armor, 1 phase at =
0 DCV to start (-3/4),
 > linked to growth (-1/2)


As has been discussed in the last couple of days on =
this list, linking a power
 in an EC to another power in a differnt slot of the =
EC is a definate no-no.


*****************
 Just read those mails (shows what I've forgotten). =
What's the limitation for "must be used with" then? 1/4? It =
IS a limitation after all.

> 20    =
- -       (30) Multipower, 14- act =
(-1/2)
 > 7     =
- -       (+15) Multipower, 14- act (-1/2), =
not in water (-1/4),
 > dragon shape only (-1/4)
 > 2 u   =
4       (45) Firebreath: 6D6 EB vs/ED EX =
(+1/2), 14- act (-1/2), not
 > in water (-1/4), dragon shape only =
(red)(-1/4)
 > 2 u   =
2       (45) Coldbreath: 2D6 drain vs/ =
STR/END/STUN, AE cone:4"
 > (+1), =BD END cost (+1/4), 14- act (-1/2), not =
in water (-1/4), dragon shape
 > only (white) (-1/4)
 > 2 u   =
4       (45) Poison gas breath: 3D6 NND =
vs/self-contained breathing
 > (+1), AE radius: 3"
 >  (+1), 14- act (-1/2), not in water =
(-1/4), dragon shape only (green) (-1/4)
 > 1 u   =
3       (30) Lightning: 2D6 RKA vs/ED, =
14- act (-1/2), not in water
 > (-1/4)
 > 1 u   =
+1      (+15) Lightning breath: +1D6 RKA (+1), =
14- act (-1/2), not
 > in water (-1/4), dragon shape only (blue) =
(-1/4)
 > 1 u   =
2       (25) Claw/bite: 2D6-1 HKA, no =
knockback (-1/4), 14- act
 > (-1/2), dragon shape only (-1/4)
 > 1 u   =
3       (30) Ranged electrostatic field: =
DEF 6 force wall), 14- act
 > (-1/2), not in water (-1/4), human shape only =
(-1/4)
 > 1 u   =
3       (30) Bright lightning: 3D6 =
flash), 14- act (-1/2), not in
 > water (-1/4), human shape only (-1/4)
 > 1 u   =
2       (20) Tail-lash: 6=BDD6 HA, 14- =
act (-1/2)
 > 1 u   =
2       (20) Healing (bio-manipulation): =
4D6 healing, 14- act (-1/2)
 > 1 u   =
2       (20) Lightning movement: 10" =
teleport, 14- act (-1/2)
 > 1 u   =
1       (10) Passive electrostatic field: =
5PD/5ED force field, 14-
 > act (-1/2)
 > 1 u   =
1       (10) Electromagnetic levitation: =
5" flight, 14- act (-1/2)
 > 1 u   =
1       (10) Internal bio-electric =
charge: +10 STR, does not add to
 > figured stats (-1/2), 14- act (-1/2)
 > 
 > PTS:  DISADVANTAGE:
 > 15    Distinctive feature: =
Dragonish human, 4' long scaly tail, horns,
 > golden slit-pupilled eyes (Con, A)
 > 5     Distinctive feature =
as dragon: 9', 700 lbs. dragon (NCon, E)
 > 15    Psych.lim: Code against =
killing (Com, Str)
 > 10    Psych.lim: Unhappy about =
the way she looks, desperately wants a
 > friend who don't care about her looks (UnCom, =
Str)
 > 5     Vulnerability: =
2xSTUN&BODY from opposed element in dragon form (Red:
 > cold, White: fire/heat, Blue: water/liquids, =
Green: Penetrating or AVLD/NND
 > does BODY but is NOT a poison) (UnCom)
 > 
 > 38    Characteristics =
total
 > 107   Powers total
 > 5     Skills total
 > 150   Total cost
 > 
 > 100   Base
 > 50    Disadvantage total
 > 150   Total points
 > 
 > NOTES:
 > The absorbation and vulnerability depends upon =
the last "breath attack" slot
 > in the multipower used.


I don't see anything that differentiates dragon form =
from Human form (I was
 looking for something like shapeshift).


**************
 The growth and distinctive features. I figured I =
didn't have to pay points for something that didn't give an advantage, =
and I couldn't figure out what kind of advantage the different =
apperance would give (it's not like I could use the dragon form for =
disguise). 

-=3D>John Desmarais
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Date: 19 Jul 1999 11:00:17 -0400
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net>
Subject: Re: Linked Powers and ECs

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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 08:48:06 -0700
From: Eric Chaves <rambler@sowest.net>
Subject: [OT] SETI

Hey guys,

I know this is off topic, but it's still kinda cool. It's called the
Seti@home project. Basically you go to http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/
and download a program. After you install it, it will connect to their
server over the internet and download a set of data. Then the program
analyizes it and then sends it back. You don't have to be on all the time,
just when you send and receive the data. And you can also set the program
up to run as a screen saver.

Sorry for the spam guys.

Eric

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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:58:41 -0700
From: Rodger Bright <rodger.bright@cbpr.com>
Subject: Re: Linked Powers and ECs

The thing that really confuses me about that E.C. statement is that they also
say something to the extent of:

"Powers must be in the same slot to be linked" But then right before that
statement they say "A Power (also referred to as a Slot) in an Elemental
Control....."

So they are saying that you have to have all your linked powers in the same
slot, but then right before that they say that a Power IS a Slot.

Pretty damn confusing in my book.

- --Rodger

> My copy of the BBB states that, "Powers in different slots of an Elemental
> Control cannot be linked to go off together." That seems pretty definitive.

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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 13:11:48 -0500 (CDT)
From: Curt Hicks <exucurt@exu.ericsson.se>
Subject: RE: OIHID?

> From: Grant Enfield <enfield@asu.edu>

> I do think that there should be some standard way of doing things, if only
> to know what to point out as house rules.
>
> Again, I have always assumed that OIHID was for any character that switched
> forms.

This had been my interpretation as well.

> I also assumed that to switch forms a character needs Instant Change.

Here is where the confusion comes in. Personally, I had assumed that
you could switch forms without instant change, it just takes time (is not
instant). If you wanted to instantly switch forms buy Instant Change.
I recall that a couple of other posters had the same interpretation.

However, I believe Steve Long posted that Instant Change was only for
clothing and had always only been intended for clothing, having no
relationship to OIHID or not. As far as the amount of time to switch
to your heroic form, I believe he interpreted this as a 0 phase action
since it was activating a power.

Curt Hicks

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