Digest Archives Vol 1 Issue 52
Desmarais, John
From: owner-champ-l-digest@sysabend.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 9:36 PM
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Subject: champ-l-digest V1 #52
champ-l-digest Tuesday, November 24 1998 Volume 01 : Number 052
In this issue:
Re: CIA World Factbook (was: Re: Ultimate Books)
Autopsy Forms
Re: Ultimate Books
Re: FW: Ultimate Verbosity
FTL TRAVEL LEVELS
Battlesuit
Re: Battlesuit
Re: [SACoH] Battlesuit
Re: [SACoH] Battlesuit
Re: Autopsy Forms
Re: FTL TRAVEL LEVELS
CHAR: The Joker
Re: Battlesuit
Re: Autofire Penetrating Attacks (was Battlesuit)
Re: Autofire Penetrating Attacks (was Battlesuit)
Re: Autopsy Forms
Re: CHAR: The Joker
Re: [SACoH] Battlesuit
Re: CHAR: The Joker
Re: FW: Ultimate Verbosity
Re: CHAR: The Joker
Re: CHAR: The Joker
Re: Battlesuit
Re: Autopsy Forms
Re: Battlesuit
Email snafu.
Re: FH Anyone?
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 06:55:20 EST
From: SteveL1979@aol.com
Subject: Re: CIA World Factbook (was: Re: Ultimate Books)
In a message dated 98-11-23 16:42:57 EST, you write:
<< Something that just occurred to me as a good resource is the CIA
World Fact Book. This is something the CIA put together and then was
released to the public, presumably when it was declassified(*). This
was/is a general information document about all sorts of places,
people and things all over the world.
I remember coming across various webified versions of it back in
'95-96. There might be printed copies of it available for the lotech
GMs, or you could use some sort of web script to suck the whole thing
onto a laptop, for the hi-tech GMs. >>
You can find the latest (I believe) version at:
http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/factbook/index.html
Though I will warn you, I've never had any luck actually opening this file.
Might just be my computer, tho.
There are printed versions available.
Another warning: this book doesn't contain nearly as much interesting
information as the title might lead one to believe. You'll do just about as
well, I think, with a book like the DORLING-KINDERSLEY WORLD REFERENCE ATLAS.
Steve Long
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:22:17 +0000
From: Chris Hartjes <chris@ergmusic.com>
Subject: Autopsy Forms
I seem to remember seeing an autopsy form in an issue of Shadis Magazine
that had a scenario for a game called Vampire Hunters Inc. (or something
like that), but they were already filled out...
- --
Chris Hartjes
Entertainment Resources Group
chris@ergmusic.com
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 09:19:57 -0600 (CST)
From: Rick Jones <rick@blkbox.com>
Subject: Re: Ultimate Books
> > "So, what did he die from?"
> > "Well, here is a copy of the autopsy report. See if you can work it
> >out. Its got the doctors stumped."
>
> Now *that* would be fun! I'll buy it!
There was an Arkham Asylum sourcebook for Call of Cthulhu which was,
essentially, a bunch of stationary from AA. I think one of the pages was
an autopsy report.
- --
Rick Jones Let's see. Powers going nuts on me, scary nightmares that
rick@blkbox.com make no sense, psychic weirdos foretelling my doom, and a
perpetually annoyed mother... Yep, I must be a super hero.
http://www-ece.rice.edu/~rickj/ --Speedball, New Warriors #65
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 09:56:32 -0600 (CST)
From: Rick Jones <rick@blkbox.com>
Subject: Re: FW: Ultimate Verbosity
Steven J. Owens wrote:
> Games like TORG are interesting in trying to come up with more
> general rule structures for dealing with things; in TORG (anybody who
> actually spent any amount of time with the game can feel free to leap
> in and correct me here) the game assumes that dimensional differences
> are fundamentally philospohical in nature - if one assumes that the
> philosophical differences can have very real impact on the world.
Torg was loads of fun. I'm actually planning on having one of the Cosms
from Torg invade my San Angelo game. I'm playing with the Torg reality
mechanics and saying the "flux=Possibility Energy", and taking away the
ability for PC's to invoke Reality Storms on folks from foreign Cosms.
- --
Rick Jones Let's see. Powers going nuts on me, scary nightmares that
rick@blkbox.com make no sense, psychic weirdos foretelling my doom, and a
perpetually annoyed mother... Yep, I must be a super hero.
http://www-ece.rice.edu/~rickj/ --Speedball, New Warriors #65
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 12:36:48 -0600
From: "Guy Hoyle" <ghoyle1@airmail.net>
Subject: FTL TRAVEL LEVELS
I'm at work and don't have access to my Champions books. Would somebody
mind sending me the chart from the FTL Travel entry?
Thanks,
Guy
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- --Charles Fort
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 13:20:41 -0600
From: redbf@ldd.net (bobby farris)
Subject: Battlesuit
Hi. I am building an organization for a supers campaign, set in
San Angelo, that uses a certain Battlesuit.
Now, I have decide to build this suit as a vehicle and then
build individual agents to fit into the suit. Oh, by the way the suit
has a computer, but it isn't an AI.
Here is my question: The suit has a Laser Weapon System and the
computer has an "automatic targeting system". Think something like
Robocop's automatic targeting system. So I want to buy +3 levels w/Laser
Weapon system.
My question is who buys this?
The agent with a focus being the computer?
The computer, and if so do I have to by UBO?
Or the Suit (vehicle) and again do I have to put UBO on it?
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:44:34 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Surbrook <susano@access.digex.net>
Subject: Re: Battlesuit
On Tue, 24 Nov 1998, bobby farris wrote:
> Here is my question: The suit has a Laser Weapon System and the
> computer has an "automatic targeting system". Think something like
> Robocop's automatic targeting system. So I want to buy +3 levels w/Laser
> Weapon system.
> My question is who buys this?
> The agent with a focus being the computer?
> The computer, and if so do I have to by UBO?
> Or the Suit (vehicle) and again do I have to put UBO on it?
The suit 'buys' the +3. If the suit is a vehicle, then it is part of the
vehicle and who ever is driving the vehicle gets the +3 OCV. UBO is only
used (IMO) when both the object *and* the character can use the power (for
example, an intelligent sword that can act on its own).
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 13:31:06 -0600 (CST)
From: Rick Jones <rick@blkbox.com>
Subject: Re: [SACoH] Battlesuit
bobby farris wrote:
> Hi. I am building an organization for a supers campaign, set in
> San Angelo, that uses a certain Battlesuit.
> Now, I have decide to build this suit as a vehicle and then
> build individual agents to fit into the suit. Oh, by the way the suit
> has a computer, but it isn't an AI.
Are we talking a Battlesuit the size of the Iron Man armor, or more along
the lines of Robotech or Power Rangers, where a bunch of norms pilot a
'mech? I'd feel a little skeevy about a player who wanted their armor suit
as a vehicle. But that's just me. I'm a mean bastich of a GM. [1]
Let's assume for the moment you're talking about a big mech, not Iron Man.
> Here is my question: The suit has a Laser Weapon System and the
> computer has an "automatic targeting system". Think something like
> Robocop's automatic targeting system. So I want to buy +3 levels w/Laser
> Weapon system.
> My question is who buys this?
> The agent with a focus being the computer?
> The computer, and if so do I have to by UBO?
> Or the Suit (vehicle) and again do I have to put UBO on it?
If there's a targeting system helmet (like Airwolf), you can either buy it
as a focus for the Agent, or buy it as part of the vehicle. It's
presumably cheaper to lump it into the vehcile.
Since it's part of the vehcile, it doesn't need to be UBO since the driver
traditionally has the ability to use all vehicle powers on his action.
I'd guess the computer needs to buy a "Use Laser Targeting Program" to use
the LTP. If the pilot and the computer (or the pilot and a gunner,
ferinstance) need to use it at the same time, that's when I'd make someone
buy it UBO.
[1] Ask me about the player who wanted a
1d6 EB (AVLD-Flash Defense) - 10x Autofire, Armor Piercing,
Penetrating, 1 Hex Area of Effect
- --
Rick Jones Let's see. Powers going nuts on me, scary nightmares that
rick@blkbox.com make no sense, psychic weirdos foretelling my doom, and a
perpetually annoyed mother... Yep, I must be a super hero.
http://www-ece.rice.edu/~rickj/ --Speedball, New Warriors #65
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:12:40 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Surbrook <susano@access.digex.net>
Subject: Re: [SACoH] Battlesuit
On Tue, 24 Nov 1998, Rick Jones wrote:
>
> [1] Ask me about the player who wanted a
> 1d6 EB (AVLD-Flash Defense) - 10x Autofire, Armor Piercing,
> Penetrating, 1 Hex Area of Effect
Heeeyyy...
I got handed a power like that was well! It was a 1d6 RKA, Autofire,
Penetrating, I Hex AoE, 0 END. The other PCs were less than impressed.
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 12:33:01 -0800 (PST)
From: Michael Hayden <mhayden@tsoft.com>
Subject: Re: Autopsy Forms
On Mon, 23 Nov 1998, Bob Greenwade wrote:
> Actually, this is only the second thing I've gotten so far with your
> name on it (the first being your response to the "need loser villain"
> thread).
And I reposted the Howdunit Series list in response to Guy Hoyle, but I'm
guessing that didn't come through either. Argh.
Help? Anyone? Is this ML moderated and my messages are getting booted? If
not, then what?
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 13:12:21 -0800 (PST)
From: Ell Egyptoid <egyptoid@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: FTL TRAVEL LEVELS
I don't have it handy in e-form, but If I did, I'd send it in.
There's an idea: If we sent in the complete text to one power, disad,
limitation, advantage, or skill every day, eventually we'd have
the entire Champions rulebook online, archived in the mailing list
on sysabend.org!
<<THUD>>
Desmarais? Desmarais? John, Snap out of it!
;)
==
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:55:27 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Surbrook <susano@access.digex.net>
Subject: CHAR: The Joker
THE JOKER
"The Clown Prince of Crime"
Val CHA Cost Roll Notes
20 STR 10 13- 400kg; 4d6
18 DEX 24 13- OCV: 6 / DCV: 6
18 CON 16 13-
12 BODY 4 11-
28 INT 26 15- PER Roll 15-
20 EGO 20 13- ECV: 7
30 PRE 30 15- PRE Attack: 6d6
10 COM 0 11-
7 PD 3 Total: 7 PD
6 ED 2 Total: 6 ED
4 SPD 12 Phases: 3, 6, 9, 12
8 REC 2
36 END 0
32 STUN 1
Total Characteristics Cost: 150
Movement: Running: 6" / 12"
Swimming: 2" / 4"
Cost Powers & Skills
Combat Training:
9 Combat Skill Levels: +3 with Pistols
5 Combat Skill Levels: +1 with Hand-to-Hand
1 Martial Arts: Dirty Infighting; use Art with knives
Maneuver OCV DCV Damage
4 Block +2 +2 Block, Abort
4 Kidney Blow -2 +0 1/2d6 HKA (1d6+1 w/STR)
4 Lowblow -1 +1 2d6 NND (3)
4 Punch/Backhand +0 +2 6d6 Strike
5 Roundhouse -2 +1 8d6 Strike
Gadgets and Trick Devices:
6 Acid Flower: RKA: 1d6, Penetrating (+1/2), 1 Continuing Charge of
One Turn (-1 1/4), No Range (-1/2), No KB (-1/4), IAF: Flower on
lapel (-1/2)
11 Electric Joy Buzzer: EB: 9d6, No Range (-1/2), No KB (-1/4),
1 Charge (-2), IIF: Joy Buzzer (-1/4)
57 Joker Venom Ring: RKA: 6d6, NND: Defense is Immunity, Alien
Metabolism or Anti-venom (+1), Does Body (+1), No Range (-1/2), Only vs
Living Beings (Animals) (-1/2), Must contact bare skin (-1/2),
1 Charge (-2), IIF: Ring (-1/4)
77 Gadget Variable Power Pool: 60 Point Pool, Change only in
'lab' (-1/2), IIF (-1/4)
Crime Lord and Background Skills:
50 Mastermind
10 Money: Wealthy
3 Acting 15-
3 AK: Gotham City 15-
1 Disguise 8-
3 Electronics 11-
3 High Society (Underworld) 15-
3 Inventor 15-
3 Interrogation 15-
2 KS: Batman 11-
3 KS: Electronics Communications 15-
3 KS: Gems and Jewelry 15-
3 KS: Gotham City Underworld 15-
2 KS: 'Supervillians' 11-
1 Mechanics 8-
3 Persuasion 15-
2 PS: Broadcasting 11-
2 PS: Chemist 11-
1 PS: Stand-up Comedian 8-
3 SC: Biochemistry 15-
3 SC: Broadcasting Technologies 15-
3 SC: Chemistry 15-
3 SC: Toxicology 15-
3 Streetwise 15-
1 System Operations 8-
5 TF: Air Vehicles, Boats, Ground Vehicles
9 Weaponsmith: 'Trick' weapons 14-
3 WF: Knife, Small Arms
321 Total Powers & Skills Cost
471 Total Character Cost
150+ Disadvantages
15 Distinctive Features: White skin and green hair (C, E)
Hunted:
15 Gotham City PD (AsPow, NCI, LimGeo) 11-
20 Batman (AsPow) 14-
20 Normal Characteristic Maxima
20 Physical Limitation: Psychopathic
Psychological Limitation:
25 Casual Killer
20 Obsessed with the Batman
15 Obsessed with Practical Jokes
10 Public ID: The Joker
20 Reputation: Psychotic criminal and killer (ext) 14-
5 Rivalry: The Batman (prof)
136 The Clown Prince of Crime Bonus
471 Total Disadvantage Points
Designers Notes:
This is my interpretation of The Joker. It is based off of his appearance
in Alan Moore's excellent "The Killing Joke" (illustrated by Brian
Bolland) as well as Dave Gibbon's fun romp "World's Finest" (illustrated
by Steve Rude). His stats and some of the Joker's powers were taken from
the 2nd Edition Batman sourcebook for DC Heroes. I also drew on some of
the Joker's original motivations and actions as shown in the early issues
of Detective Comics.
The origin of the Joker has gone through a number of minor modifications
over the years. The most recent (well, the one that was given in "The
Killing Joke" anyway), runs like this:
The was a man who tired of his life as a chemist for a local chemical
plant. He quit his job and tried to become a stand up comedian. He was
rather unsuccessful at this, and despaired of making it 'big' before his
wife gave birth to their first child. Meanwhile certain criminal elements
had contacted this would-be comedian in an attempt to persuade him to lead
them through the chemical plant so they could raid the payroll. To cover
the comedian's identity, he was to wear the mask and cape of The Red Hood,
a notorious local crime figure.
While trying to decide to say yes, to these two men, the comedian was
informed that his wife had been killed in an accident involving a
household appliance (a space heater, I think). Now, with nothing else to
live for, he agreed to be the red Hood help his two 'friends' raid his old
employers.
As unluck would have it, the place was being staked out by the police, and
a gun battle commenced. The Red Hood's two companions were gunned down,
while the Batman appeared to confront the Red Hood directly. Confused,
disoriented and very scared, the comedian leaped into one of the waste
disposal tanks, making his way down an outflow pipe and into the river.
Staggering to shore, he removed the mask of the Red Hood, only to discover
that the waste chemicals has permanently altered is face and hair color,
making him look like some sort of horrid clown. It was at this point, the
comedian's mind snapped.
This is possibly the best all-around origin for the Joker I have seen yet.
It works well and makes a great deal of sense. It doesn't hurt that Alan
Moore is an excellent writer and that "The Killing Joke" is a fantastic
story.
Anyway, the Joker has plagued Batman from the early days of Detective
Comics. Joker started out as a jewel thief (and possible assassin) and
has since become one of the most famous 'super-villians' of the DC
universe, as well as one of the most interesting, He is a wonderful
combination of comedy and horror, of outrageous slapstick and chilling
ruthlessness. And worst of all, is that just when you think he's gone,
the Joker pops up again, with yet another mad scheme to outwit the Batman
and win himself another fortune.
Description:
The Joker is tall and very thin. He stands over 6' in height (possibly
close to 6'3") and has thin build with long arms and legs. The Joker's
skin is pasty white, with green hair and red lips. The Joker, in fact,
bears more than a passing resemblance to a clown, a fact that did not
escape him when the Joker saw what he had become.
Joker dresses in suits most of the time. Usually, he wears a purple three
piece suit, with long tails on the coat. He also wears a purple fedora
with a broad brim. He will wear other costumes as the mood suits him, and
anything he dies wear tends to be bright and garish.
Powers Notes:
Joker's main power is his mind. He is brilliant, ruthless brilliant and
totally unpredictable. His crimes may (or may not) have some sort of
theme, or they may merely be a desire to acquire large sums of
cash(usually so the Joker can then enact some *other* scheme). He has
access to a fairly large amount of money (usually) and in "World's Finest"
is shown to own a fairly large amount of property in Gotham (such as
gambling dens and pool halls).
To represent Joker's resources, I have given him 10 points of wealth and
the Mastermind option that was reintroduced in "Golden Age of Champions".
Basically, the 50 points of Mastermind allows Joker to spend up to 471
points on bases, vehicles and agents (ie. mooks). Note that Joker's bases
can be almost anything; warehouses, underground sewers, offices, factories
etc. His vehicles have been everything from planes, to cars to boats,
usually the stranger the better. For agents, Joker's recruits tend to
come from the lower end of the criminal elements. Jokers wants strong
back and weak minds, not people who tend to think about what they are
doing (and ask annoying questions).
Joker's other 'powers' center around his technical genius. He has a great
deal of knowledge in the fields of chemistry (witness his deadly 'Joker
venom'), as well as electronics and broadcasting (he used to interrupt TV
broadcasts all the time). He also has made a wide variety of trick guns
and other gadgets, all in keeping with his clown motif. Joker also has
three more specific gadgets that he uses constantly, regardless of
whatever else he may have. These devices are:
Acid Flower: This is a lapel flower that contains a small quantity
of acid. Joker has used it to dissolve ropes and locks and, if in close
combat, to spray an unsuspecting target. The Continuous effect can be
stopped by the application of a base, to dilute the acid content.
Electric Joy Buzzer: This is a small, hand-held device that is
capable of delivering a potentially lethal charge. Joker has used this
while clapping someone on the back or shaking hands with them.
Joker Venom Ring: This 'ring' is more of a poison needle strapped
around the palm of the hand. It is *very* fast acting, killing a target
in a matter of seconds. In "The Killing Joke", I'd guess that the man
Joker uses it on is dead within two panels, and these panels are only
covering a few seconds of time each...
Finally, Joker has shown some skill with hand-to-hand combat and is a very
good shot (he prefers handguns).
Disadvantages Notes:
First and foremost, the Joker is crazy. He is a brilliant psychopath,
who's twisted mind is capable of baffling even Batman. He is totally
unpredictable, and does what he wants when he wants. Joker is also
totally self-centered. The only things that really matter to him is his
criminal empire and his constant battles with the Batman. Nothing else,
not the police, innocent bystanders, fellow criminals or even Robin
(Batman's sidekick) matter. In fact, Joker has prevented others from
removing Batman's mask, since he doesn't care who Batman is, he just wants
someone around that he can go up against; someone who can be a worthy
enough opponent for his activities.
Joker is will kill for the slightest of reasons. He has killed numerous
people in the course of his crimes, including the victims of his crimes as
well as his henchmen. (I still remember a scene where the Joker shoved
one of his mook in front of a passing truck, commenting, "And you will
learn not to ask me stupid questions.") He killed Robin (the Jason Todd
Robin, I think), beating him to death with a crowbar. He has tried to
kill Batman as well, but current opinion has it that these have not been
'real' attempts on Batman's life. The idea being, if Joker *did* kill
Batman, who would he have to 'play' with.
Naturally, the Joker is also a master of the practical joke, especially
the lethal practical joke. Deadly electric joy buzzers, exploding gifts,
trick guns, balloons with poison gas, the list goes on and on. In his
early (1940's) years, the Joker often reacted elaborate death traps to
kill his targets (such as painting a cat's nails with his Joker venom or
mixing the parts of his Joker gas into candles and food). He has also
created bizarre contraptions in order to kill the Batman (and others) but
this schtick mercifully died out in the 60's. Recently (well, as recently
as the mid-90's) Joker he stuck with simpler gadgets.
(The Joker created by Bob Kane, character sheet created by Michael
Surbrook. Special thanks to Steve Kramer of additional input.)
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 13:37:46 -0800 (PST)
From: Ell Egyptoid <egyptoid@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Battlesuit
> Or the Suit (vehicle) and again do I have to put UBO on it?
hopefully this will be in TUV.
Let's say the vehicle is an aero-mech, and it has
terrain-following radar, which either the pilot
or the on-board AI can employ, does that have to UBO?
Or is UBO implied in vehicles with cockpits?
==
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 13:15:10 PST
From: "Jesse Thomas" <haerandir@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Autofire Penetrating Attacks (was Battlesuit)
>
>On Tue, 24 Nov 1998, Rick Jones wrote:
>
>>
>> [1] Ask me about the player who wanted a
>> 1d6 EB (AVLD-Flash Defense) - 10x Autofire, Armor Piercing,
>> Penetrating, 1 Hex Area of Effect
>
>Heeeyyy...
>
>I got handed a power like that was well! It was a 1d6 RKA, Autofire,
>Penetrating, I Hex AoE, 0 END. The other PCs were less than impressed.
What were the FX?
A friend of mine keeps threatening to build a character with Autofire
Penetrating Strength, but at least he has the excuse of basing it on a
Streetfighter RPG character he used to play...
Jesse Thomas
haerandir@hotmail.com
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 17:09:53 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Surbrook <susano@access.digex.net>
Subject: Re: Autofire Penetrating Attacks (was Battlesuit)
On Tue, 24 Nov 1998, Jesse Thomas wrote:
> >I got handed a power like that was well! It was a 1d6 RKA, Autofire,
> >Penetrating, I Hex AoE, 0 END. The other PCs were less than impressed.
>
> What were the FX?
I'm not sure.
Oh, and I forgot 'beam'.
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* http://www.access.digex.net/~susano/index.html *
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 13:51:10 -0800 (PST)
From: Michael Hayden <mhayden@tsoft.com>
Subject: Re: Autopsy Forms
On Tue, 24 Nov 1998, Michael Hayden wrote:
> And I reposted the Howdunit Series list in response to Guy Hoyle, but I'm
> guessing that didn't come through either. Argh.
>
> Help? Anyone? Is this ML moderated and my messages are getting booted? If
> not, then what?
Okay, thanks to everyone for their responses. Apparently all of my recent
messages -are- getting through, so no worries. Whatever happened to my
older stuff (circa last week), who knows, but it seems okay now.
The point I tried to make by posting the Howdunit Series list remains the
same: there is a TON of reference material out there regarding forensic
medicine, private investigators, police procedures, and just about
anything else you can think of, all nicely prepackaged and summarized for
writers like us. You just have to do a little legwork to find it, and you
have to be open-minded to the fact that it's not specifically writtern by
Hero Games for HERO gamers.
Some of you may like the idea of an "Ultimate Professional" or "Ultimate
Normal" book, but frankly I think it's an unnecessary duplication of
effort. Okay? Okay.
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 17:01:26 -0500
From: Bill Svitavsky <nbymail11@mln.lib.ma.us>
Subject: Re: CHAR: The Joker
At 03:55 PM 11/24/98 -0500, Michael Surbrook wrote:
>THE JOKER
>"The Clown Prince of Crime"
>
This is a fun write-up! There are a few things I might do differently, though.
>28 INT 26 15- PER Roll 15-
>20 EGO 20 13- ECV: 7
>30 PRE 30 15- PRE Attack: 6d6
>10 COM 0 11-
The 28 INT is interesting, but justified, I think. I'm not so sure about
the 20 EGO - this is a man who eagerly gives in to his every whim. Instead,
I would probably give him some Mental Defense; anybody trying to Mind
Control this nutcase is going to have an unpleasant time of it.
I'm sure most people will find the 30 PRE reasonable, but I'd probably go
higher with it. That's largely because I'd give Batman about a 60 PRE; his
impressiveness is easily on a scale with a brick's STR. I'd also lower the
Joker's COM; the green hair, white skin, and twisted features are a
deformity, and are perceived as such.
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:09:00 -0800 (PST)
From: Ell Egyptoid <egyptoid@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [SACoH] Battlesuit
thanks for the insite on the vehicle contstruct
> [1] Ask me about the player who wanted a
> 1d6 EB (AVLD-Flash Defense) - 10x Autofire, Armor Piercing,
> Penetrating, 1 Hex Area of Effect
this is very similar to the gun in the chin-mount of
the black helicopters from a previous thread,
only they were 1 pip RKA vice EB.
==
Laissez le bon pim roulez! Elliott aka Egyptoid
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:09:42 -0800
From: "Hilary" <kabuki@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: CHAR: The Joker
> THE JOKER
> "The Clown Prince of Crime"
Overall looked like a good write-up. I think he should have AK: Arkham
Asylum and a KS: Arkham Inmates. The disads look good. Another you could
have included would be Joker's irrational hatred of order, which is the
polar opposite of The Batman. Again, not a big deal, but I thought I'd
offer it up. Oh, and shouldn't he get 25 pts. for Psychopathic? For
Joker, at least, you're talking about how his every perception is overruled
by his own dimentia(very common) and that his brain is so chaotic that it
can rarely grasp to reasonable order(total).
> He has tried to
> kill Batman as well, but current opinion has it that these have not been
> 'real' attempts on Batman's life. The idea being, if Joker *did* kill
> Batman, who would he have to 'play' with.
There was a story arc in Legends of the Dark Knight a few years back called
'Going Sane' in which the Joker believes that he has killed Batman. What
else is there for him to do but go sane? He forgets his old self(if I
remember correctly) and gets a girlfriend and tries to resume a normal
life. Of course this doesn't last and the false persona of Joe Kerr
shatters as The Batman reappears.
Good job! Best Joker write-up I've seen.
Hilary
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:51:20 -0800
From: "Filksinger" <filkhero@usa.net>
Subject: Re: FW: Ultimate Verbosity
From: Steven J. Owens <puff@netcom.com>
<snip>
> That's the crux of it; if you're going to start mucking with
>things in a serious way, you either have to postulate some loophole or
>kill the characters off immediately. One pretty good interdimensional
>campaign I was in - not champions, a homegrown and very loose system -
>the GM developed and applied certain (warped) rules of logic that
>dimensional travel worked under. The new universe would not let
>something enter it that contradicted its laws of physics, hence it
>modified anything incoming. This made adjustments to the traveller's
>physiology, sometimes minor, sometimes major.
>
> It also made adjustments to the items the travellers were
>carrying, which tended to be problematic for mid-range complexity
>systems. Simple systems (cloth, for example) could survive the
>changes functionally intact. Complex systems (e.g. things approaching
>organic complexity) would have enough redundancy in them that the
>adaptation process would usually keep them functional. Anything
>in between - like guns, or conventional electronics - tended to
>have problems.
>
> The GM also postulated that the dimension-travelling societies
>(there were several major societies in the game that used dimension
>travel, some tech, some magic, some psionic) developed a loose system
>of categorizing dimensions depending on how much the aggregate minute
>changes wreaked havoc with technology, magic, spacetime, etc.
There was something similar done in the Harold Shea stories, including "Wall
of Serpents" and "The Incompleate Enchanter" (or the omnibus volume "The
Compleate Enchanter"). Essentially, the dimension travelling method was to
alter certain basics about how you thought, so that you fit into an
alternate universe. If you did it correctly, you would find yourself in this
alternate universe.
A side effect of this was how the standards and norms of the universe you
entered changed you. When Shea visited the Norse gods Loki and Thor, he
couldn't read the Boy Scout Handbook, because he now read Norse; matches
didn't work, because they were chemical and didn't fit into the belief
systems of the world he had entered; and fine modern alloys weakened or
changed to second rate carbon steel, because that was what knives were in
that universe.
However, he was able to do quick "plastic surgery" on a rather ugly Troll
jailer and escape by using a wax doll, pretending to cast magic, and
reducing the size of the nose on the doll (wax surgery?).
His wife, Bellephobe, was an inhabitant of a universe corresponding to a
late middle ages poem, Spencer's "The Fairy Queen", and, after spending time
in our universe, lamented the fact that she couldn't take her fiberglass
compound bow on a mission to another universe, because they didn't have
fiberglass or compound bows. She then found herself, by accident, in a
universe that was roughly a retelling of "The Fairy Queen", and became her
alternate in that world, thus forgetting her husband and her past.
Filksinger
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 16:33:46 -0800
From: Bob Greenwade <bob.greenwade@klock.com>
Subject: Re: CHAR: The Joker
At 03:55 PM 11/24/98 -0500, Michael Surbrook wrote:
>Anyway, the Joker has plagued Batman from the early days of Detective
>Comics. Joker started out as a jewel thief (and possible assassin) and
>has since become one of the most famous 'super-villians' of the DC
>universe, as well as one of the most interesting, He is a wonderful
>combination of comedy and horror, of outrageous slapstick and chilling
>ruthlessness. And worst of all, is that just when you think he's gone,
>the Joker pops up again, with yet another mad scheme to outwit the Batman
>and win himself another fortune.
Don't forget that he's chosen Superman as his "special friend" a couple
of times.
On the whole, a very nice bit of work. :-]
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:35:47 -0800
From: "Filksinger" <filkhero@usa.net>
Subject: Re: CHAR: The Joker
From: Michael Surbrook <susano@access.digex.net>
>THE JOKER
>"The Clown Prince of Crime"
You missed one seldom shown "power". The Joker is so insane that no attempts
to possess or Mind Control him have any effect, so far as I know. Most
recently, he was possessed by one of the "Dark Judges"(?) from Judge Dredd,
who gave up immediately, saying, "Totally insane. I can do nothing with such
a mind." The Joker responded with, "I thought you might have some trouble in
there."
Filksinger
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 16:23:03 -0800
From: Bob Greenwade <bob.greenwade@klock.com>
Subject: Re: Battlesuit
At 01:37 PM 11/24/98 -0800, Ell Egyptoid wrote:
>> Or the Suit (vehicle) and again do I have to put UBO on it?
>hopefully this will be in TUV.
>
>Let's say the vehicle is an aero-mech, and it has
>terrain-following radar, which either the pilot
>or the on-board AI can employ, does that have to UBO?
>
>Or is UBO implied in vehicles with cockpits?
My take on it is that UBO is implied on a vehicle for any ability that
it normally wouldn't be able to use itself. For instance, if the vehicle
doesn't have a built-in computer (represented in TUV by its having INT),
then it cannot use its own weapons on its own and needs a gunner; thus the
Skill Levels which represent the targeting computer would be usable not by
the Vehicle itself, but by the gunner and only by the gunner.
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:42:58 -0800
From: "Filksinger" <filkhero@usa.net>
Subject: Re: Autopsy Forms
From: Michael Hayden <mhayden@tsoft.com>
>On Mon, 23 Nov 1998, Bob Greenwade wrote:
>
>> Actually, this is only the second thing I've gotten so far with your
>> name on it (the first being your response to the "need loser villain"
>> thread).
>
>And I reposted the Howdunit Series list in response to Guy Hoyle, but I'm
>guessing that didn't come through either. Argh.
>
>Help? Anyone? Is this ML moderated and my messages are getting booted? If
>not, then what?
I got both messages, so it isn't the list proper, or I wouldn't have gotten
the first, at least.
Filksinger
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:42:28 -0800
From: "Filksinger" <filkhero@usa.net>
Subject: Re: Battlesuit
From: Ell Egyptoid <egyptoid@yahoo.com>
>> Or the Suit (vehicle) and again do I have to put UBO on it?
>hopefully this will be in TUV.
>
>Let's say the vehicle is an aero-mech, and it has
>terrain-following radar, which either the pilot
>or the on-board AI can employ, does that have to UBO?
No.
>Or is UBO implied in vehicles with cockpits?
Yes.
Whomever is using a vehicular component gets the levels granted by the
vehicle's systems. This includes the pilot or, if it has the skill to use
the system, the AI.
UBO on +3 w/ flight would allow the vehicle to help someone _outside_ the
vehicle fly better (or someone who was flying inside the vehicle, I
suppose).
Filksinger
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:28:46 -0500
From: geoff heald <gheald@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Email snafu.
>Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:26:07 -0500
>From: geoff heald <gheald@worldnet.att.net>
>Subject: Email snafu.
>
>Hi all, I'm back.
>My ISP has not quite got their act together. Due to a paperwork snafu of
biblical proportions, my email has probably been bouncing messages starting
11/15 and running through 11/24. This problem has been fixed, but I have
no messages from this list for that time.
>Many threads can live their whole life in 10 days. I don't need all the
messages I missed, as that will add up to more than 1000 for all the lists
I'm on. But if you sent something you think I really should see, you'll
have to send it to me direct.
>
>Anyway, I'm back (at least 'til AT&T screws up again).
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:46:41 -0500
From: geoff heald <gheald@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: FH Anyone?
At 06:57 AM 11/14/98 -0800, you wrote:
>>So why would people build these? I came up witha fantasy world that
>>occasionally is bathed in terrible radiation. or something. The only
>>way for the Human population to survive intact is to dig in.
>
>
I was rather taken with this aspect of Earthdawn.
Horrible monsters were coming, so the people bulit catacombs to hide in and
rigged them with traps to get the monsters. The monsters won and moved
into the catacombs. They reset the traps and even built new ones. Lastly,
the big, really bad monsters hoard treasure to lure adventurers into the
catacombs so they can feed on the adventurers' fear.
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