Digest Archives Vol 1 Issue 53
Desmarais, John
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champ-l-digest Wednesday, November 25 1998 Volume 01 : Number 053
In this issue:
Re: Autopsy Forms
Re: Autopsy Forms
Re: CHAR: The Joker
Re: CHAR: The Joker
Re: CHAR: The Joker
Re: CHAR: The Joker
CHAR: Trestler, part one
oops. repost, please
Re: CHAR: The Joker
Re: CHAR: The Joker
Re: CHAR: The Joker
Re: CHAR: The Joker
Joker question...
Re: CHAR: The Joker
Re: CHAR: The Joker
Fw: CHAR: The Joker
CHAR: Trestler (part two)
Fw: 'Old' Netscape Browsers
Re: CHAR: The Joker
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:43:11 -0800
From: "Filksinger" <filkhero@usa.net>
Subject: Re: Autopsy Forms
From: Bob Greenwade <bob.greenwade@klock.com>
>At 11:23 AM 11/23/98 -0800, Michael Hayden wrote:
>>
>>On Mon, 23 Nov 1998, Guy Hoyle wrote:
>>
>>> There's also the Writers' Guide book, CAUSE OF DEATH.
>>
>>Can someone please verify that my messages are reaching the list? I listed
>>off the entire Writer's Digest Howdunit Series last week in response to
>>this thread, but they've been mentioned half a dozen times since then, as
>>if I'd never said a word. I fear we are needlessly running this into the
>>ground...
>>
>>Thanks.
>
> Actually, this is only the second thing I've gotten so far with your
>name on it (the first being your response to the "need loser villain"
>thread).
I got that list just fine. I had thought it odd that no one else seemed to
notice.
Filksinger
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 16:51:46 -0800
From: Bob Greenwade <bob.greenwade@klock.com>
Subject: Re: Autopsy Forms
At 12:33 PM 11/24/98 -0800, Michael Hayden wrote:
>On Mon, 23 Nov 1998, Bob Greenwade wrote:
>
>> Actually, this is only the second thing I've gotten so far with your
>> name on it (the first being your response to the "need loser villain"
>> thread).
>
>And I reposted the Howdunit Series list in response to Guy Hoyle, but I'm
>guessing that didn't come through either. Argh.
I did get that repost a little later, and of course this one. :-]
>Help? Anyone? Is this ML moderated and my messages are getting booted? If
>not, then what?
As you've already noted, it's fixed; in fact, if I'd been able to delete
this message (without causing my already-finicky system to complain)
instead of just editing it, I would have. :-]
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 19:53:15 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Surbrook <susano@access.digex.net>
Subject: Re: CHAR: The Joker
On Tue, 24 Nov 1998, Hilary wrote:
>
> > THE JOKER
> > "The Clown Prince of Crime"
>
> Overall looked like a good write-up. I think he should have AK: Arkham
> Asylum and a KS: Arkham Inmates.
Hmmm... good point, I'll include those.
> The disads look good. Another you could
> have included would be Joker's irrational hatred of order, which is the
> polar opposite of The Batman. Again, not a big deal, but I thought I'd
> offer it up.
I think that falls under his Phys Lim of "Psychopathic".
> Oh, and shouldn't he get 25 pts. for Psychopathic? For
> Joker, at least, you're talking about how his every perception is overruled
> by his own dimentia(very common) and that his brain is so chaotic that it
> can rarely grasp to reasonable order(total).
Well, it's a Phys Lim, not a Psych Lim, so I think the severity of 20
points works out okay.
> Good job! Best Joker write-up I've seen.
Thanks.
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 17:14:20 -0800
From: Christopher Taylor <ctaylor@viser.net>
Subject: Re: CHAR: The Joker
>> THE JOKER
>> "The Clown Prince of Crime"
>
>Overall looked like a good write-up. I think he should have AK: Arkham
>Asylum and a KS: Arkham Inmates. The disads look good. Another you could
>have included would be Joker's irrational hatred of order, which is the
>polar opposite of The Batman. Again, not a big deal, but I thought I'd
>offer it up. Oh, and shouldn't he get 25 pts. for Psychopathic? For
>Joker, at least, you're talking about how his every perception is overruled
>by his own dimentia(very common) and that his brain is so chaotic that it
>can rarely grasp to reasonable order(total).
I wouldnt have given him that high STR (he doesnt demonstrate great
strength in ANY story I have ever read, and 20 strength is immense) and his
presence is in my opinion astronomically high for two reasons
1) although he does terrify people and cause normals to cower, that is
not due to his personal strength of personality, but due to the
wide knowlege that this is a demented hair trigger psychotic who has
killed many people for no clear reason or pattern and will continue
to so so.
2) Batman fills his heart in visible fear (the Joker will become clearly
frightened upon meeting up with Batman) and in order to frighten
someone with 30 PRE that makes Batman's along the lines of Grond's Strength.
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 21:49:37 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Surbrook <susano@access.digex.net>
Subject: Re: CHAR: The Joker
On Tue, 24 Nov 1998, Filksinger wrote:
> >THE JOKER
> >"The Clown Prince of Crime"
>
>
> You missed one seldom shown "power". The Joker is so insane that no attempts
> to possess or Mind Control him have any effect, so far as I know. Most
> recently, he was possessed by one of the "Dark Judges"(?) from Judge Dredd,
> who gave up immediately, saying, "Totally insane. I can do nothing with such
> a mind." The Joker responded with, "I thought you might have some trouble in
> there."
Well, that's a totally new power to me... I've never seen anything like
that until know. Hmmm.. I do think some sort of Mental Defense (Mind of
Madness) may make sense, however.
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 19:50:10 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Surbrook <susano@access.digex.net>
Subject: Re: CHAR: The Joker
On Tue, 24 Nov 1998, Bill Svitavsky wrote:
> >THE JOKER
> >"The Clown Prince of Crime"
> >
>
> This is a fun write-up!
Thanks!
> There are a few things I might do differently, though.
>
> >28 INT 26 15- PER Roll 15-
> >20 EGO 20 13- ECV: 7
> >30 PRE 30 15- PRE Attack: 6d6
> >10 COM 0 11-
>
> The 28 INT is interesting, but justified, I think. I'm not so sure about
> the 20 EGO - this is a man who eagerly gives in to his every whim. Instead,
> I would probably give him some Mental Defense; anybody trying to Mind
> Control this nutcase is going to have an unpleasant time of it.
These stats are derived from the vaules given in the DC Heroes game.
There, Joker has very high INT (9) and an amazingly high WILL (12!). I
lowered the resulting EGO, but kept the INT score the same.
Note the Joker has a Phys lim of 'Psychopathic' and that some of his psych
lims are Total, meaning his 20 EGO won't help him *not* 'be crazy'.
> I'm sure most people will find the 30 PRE reasonable, but I'd probably go
> higher with it. That's largely because I'd give Batman about a 60 PRE; his
> impressiveness is easily on a scale with a brick's STR. I'd also lower the
> Joker's COM; the green hair, white skin, and twisted features are a
> deformity, and are perceived as such.
Hmmm... possibly.
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 16:51:48 -0800 (PST)
From: Ell Egyptoid <egyptoid@yahoo.com>
Subject: CHAR: Trestler, part one
TRESTLER TOCASI, agent provocateur
Trestler's parents sent him away to Martel Boarding School in Vienna,
a prestigious lyceum for those with old money.
They never saw him again.
He was reported buried alive in an avalanche while on a skiing weekend
the students were allowed to take. His parents mourned him, and he has
an ornate gravestone in a cemetery in Dusseldorf.
He did go skiing, and he did pass out, but he woke up in a lab in an
undisclosed German city. He received warmth, food, music, drink, and
bath/toilet priviledges, but only if he read all that he was assigned,
and worked out with the weights provided. After no human contact and
the above strange regimen for what seemed like a half-year or so, he
was ready to cooperate with the next person that actually talked with
him like real people. She introduced herself as Colonel Pfeitz, and
even though she was stern and 50 years old, she seemed quite loving,
lovable, and desirable to Trestler because of his deprivation.
When he realized escape was impossible, and he got over his initial
anger, he soaked up all that Pfeitz fed him, mentally, spiritually,
physically. His skiing accident had been in the winter of 1960, and
tomorrow, on July 19th, 1992, he would receive Step Six of a program
designed especially for his young strapping body. How can this be, he
queried? I look and feel only slightly older than the 17 year old boy
I was as I went skiing? Simple, said Pfeitz, every so often, as you
would eat your evening rations, you would be drugged into a coma, and
carried off to special chambers where you received Step One thru Step
Five. You have been altered by science, psionics, and forces only
conceived by the Seers of Bavaria. She smacked him across the cheek.
Concentrate on your face! Focus your anger at me! Don't you wish I had
cut my hand on you? She slapped him again. But this time she drew back
a bloody palm. Good, Good, she told him. Now she held up a mirror.
See, you can control your skin. Sure enough, his cheeks had a barbed
consistency. She tossed him the mirror. Practice, she commanded.
See if you can do silky, sharp, woven, camoflage, and anything else
from your encyclopedia. See you in the morning, she left him, wrapping
her hand in a kerchief.
Next day, he left the apartment he'd been in under the lab for 30 years.
A calendar in the hallway said 1992. He met Walsh, Mariconda, Zubec,
Steinem, and other agents whose biographies he'd read. She led him to
an elevator, and they went up 6 floors, to a lobby, then up six more
floors, to the top. She led him onto the rooftop, and the chill of near
dawn greeted him, his first sight of the world in months(years).
Look out over this city, Tres. Think hard. What do you want? You may
leave, you may stay. If you stay, you will do harsh work for us. If you
leave, you may go without prejudice and without debt to the Seers.
She left him up there all day. There was the elevator, the fire escape,
the back stairs, the freight elevator, any number of ways to leave, and
in many directions. When Pfeitz came back up at sundown, she looked all
over the rooftop for him, but to no avail. She looked surprised, "first
one in 12 years to actually leave", and headed back to the elevator.
She walked in sadly and punched the button for the lobby. As she
stepped back and waited for the car to move, quick hands clasped her
from behind, and an unseen but familiar kiss planted itself on her
neck. She yelped, and for the first time that Trestler had ever seen,
lost her composure. Oh you! she straightened her hair and blouse as he
said "It took me a long time to master the color of the paint in the
elevator, but I guess you'd say I did it well". "What was your 153rd
lesson?" she snapped. Quickly he straightened up, resumed normal color,
and stood at attention in front of her as the elevator continued down:
"No physical affection between Agents of different rank." he replied
automatically. "If there's anybody watching" she completed, as she
drew his eyes to the camera in the ceiling. It's okay, no-one pays
attention after supper, usually.
Tres asked her: Was the rooftop vigil looking at the city all day, was
that step six? Did you receive drugs, or step into a special
chamber? she said. "No", he said. Right, Pfeitz lectured him again:
"Step Six is quite expensive, and we wanted to be sure of you before
we administered it."
==
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 21:17:48 -0600 (Central Standard Time)
From: Tim Gilberg <gilberg@ou.edu>
Subject: oops. repost, please
Hmmm.
I've deleted the address for the causes of death/autopsy/whatever
web page. Could someone send me the web address?
-Tim Gilberg
-"English Majors of the World! Untie!"
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 19:13:49 -0800 (PST)
From: Bryant Durrell <durrell@innocence.com>
Subject: Re: CHAR: The Joker
Filksinger writes:
> From: Michael Surbrook <susano@access.digex.net>
> >THE JOKER
> >"The Clown Prince of Crime"
>
>
> You missed one seldom shown "power". The Joker is so insane that no attempts
> to possess or Mind Control him have any effect, so far as I know. Most
> recently, he was possessed by one of the "Dark Judges"(?) from Judge Dredd,
> who gave up immediately, saying, "Totally insane. I can do nothing with such
> a mind." The Joker responded with, "I thought you might have some trouble in
> there."
He can be mind controlled, but it requires a world-class telepath to
do so. The Martian Manhunter was able to mind control him in a recent
JLA story. Barely.
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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 03:05:59 -0500 (EST)
From: Daniel Pawtowski <dpawtows@access.digex.net>
Subject: Re: CHAR: The Joker
> that until know. Hmmm.. I do think some sort of Mental Defense (Mind of
> Madness) may make sense, however.
I've seen alien or 'bizzare' minds modeled as Mental Damage Reduction.
Might work here.
Daniel Pawtowski
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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 04:31:34 -0500 (EST)
From: Tokyo Mark <bastet@iquest.net>
Subject: Re: CHAR: The Joker
> These stats are derived from the vaules given in the DC Heroes game.
> There, Joker has very high INT (9) and an amazingly high WILL (12!). I
> lowered the resulting EGO, but kept the INT score the same.
>
> Note the Joker has a Phys lim of 'Psychopathic' and that some of his psych
> lims are Total, meaning his 20 EGO won't help him *not* 'be crazy'.
True, and he's undoubtably strong willed or helped by his psychoses when
it comes to mind control. Not just the overt kind. In the Knightfall arc
where Joker and Scarecrow teamed up, the same toxin that did a number on
Batman's mind had no noticable effect on The Joker.
> > I'm sure most people will find the 30 PRE reasonable, but I'd probably go
> > higher with it. That's largely because I'd give Batman about a 60 PRE; his
> > impressiveness is easily on a scale with a brick's STR. I'd also lower the
> > Joker's COM; the green hair, white skin, and twisted features are a
> > deformity, and are perceived as such.
>
> Hmmm... possibly.
Actually, I'm not so sure. His twisted features have been less obvious.
His mouth has not seemed locked in a grin for some time. When he uses
disguise to cover the green hair and white skin he's about average
looking, just some skinny guy. His Pre seems reasonable, but then by my
scale a 60 Pre for Batman is *way* too high.
TokyoMark
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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 09:31:52 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Surbrook <susano@access.digex.net>
Subject: Re: CHAR: The Joker
On Tue, 24 Nov 1998, Christopher Taylor wrote:
> >> THE JOKER
> >> "The Clown Prince of Crime"
> >
> >Overall looked like a good write-up. I think he should have AK: Arkham
> >Asylum and a KS: Arkham Inmates. The disads look good. Another you could
> >have included would be Joker's irrational hatred of order, which is the
> >polar opposite of The Batman. Again, not a big deal, but I thought I'd
> >offer it up. Oh, and shouldn't he get 25 pts. for Psychopathic? For
> >Joker, at least, you're talking about how his every perception is overruled
> >by his own dimentia(very common) and that his brain is so chaotic that it
> >can rarely grasp to reasonable order(total).
>
> I wouldnt have given him that high STR (he doesnt demonstrate great
> strength in ANY story I have ever read, and 20 strength is immense) and his
I disagree. Here is why: Joker has the strength of madness. He uses all
his strentgh with no restraint, since he has nothing holding him back. He
also has a STR of 4 in DC Heroes, which is 4x as stribng as a normals STR
of 2... Like I said, I based most of his stas on the DC Heroes stats.
> presence is in my opinion astronomically high for two reasons
> 1) although he does terrify people and cause normals to cower, that is
> not due to his personal strength of personality, but due to the
> wide knowlege that this is a demented hair trigger psychotic
> who has killed many people for no clear reason or pattern and will
> continue to so so.
I think a 30 fits prefectly for the Joker, as nothing really phases him
(except for Batman) and he scares a lot of people just by showing up.
Part of his 30 PRE can be his rep working for him.
> 2) Batman fills his heart in visible fear (the Joker will become clearly
> frightened upon meeting up with Batman) and in order to frighten
> someone with 30 PRE that makes Batman's along the lines of Grond's Strength.
And i think that batman has a PRE of 40 (or more). He scares mooks
witless with just his shadow. As Stephen King said "Is batman came
smashing in through my skylight, I'd be scared to death, even if I knew I
hadn't done *anything* wrong!"
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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 10:17:59 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Surbrook <susano@access.digex.net>
Subject: Joker question...
So, if in order to simulate the Joker's deranged mind, I give him damage
reduction, what do people consider a 'realistic' level?
I was thinking 50%. The question is, (since I don't have TUM handy), how
much does that cost?
I was also thinking that the DR should be good only vs Mental Illusions,
Telepahty and Mind Control. Is -1/2 a good value for that?
Thanks for the suggestions, BTW, I have done some lterations to the
design.
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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 07:51:37 -0800
From: "Hilary" <kabuki@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: CHAR: The Joker
> And i think that batman has a PRE of 40 (or more). He scares mooks
> witless with just his shadow. As Stephen King said "Is batman came
> smashing in through my skylight, I'd be scared to death, even if I knew I
> hadn't done *anything* wrong!"
I don't think Batman should have that high a PRE, because it does not fit
with the actions that occur in the comics. Example: Some goons(who most
likely have a PRE of 10) are hastling some poor old lady in a dark alley.
Suddenly a shadow overcomes them and the Batman is upon them. Now, not
only does Batman get 1d6 for every 5 pts. of PRE, but he'd get some bonus
d6 for his entrance, and he'd probably say something that would make the
average joe wet
themselves. Now if Batman has a PRE of like 50 or 60, then you toss in a
couple of extra d6... roll this against a bunch of punks with a 10 PRE and
all of them would end up doing exactly what Batman says. This never
happens. They almost always lose a phase of action out of surprise and
sometimes one of them will run, but they never lay down. They always
fight. And if Batman had such a high presence they would all be having
heart attacks.
I give Batman a 30 PRE and the Joker 30 PRE. Batman always makes an
entrance that will generally give him extra d6 on a PRE attack, and the
Joker, while he may not leap from the shadows, is so insane that he is
frightening. Little ever phases him. And remember that PRE is also a
charismatic value. Joker, for all his lunacy has a powerful aura. When he
is standing in the middle of a crowd doing somethign nutty, people always
notice. People are drawn to him, in a way, to watch the horrible acts he
threatens to commit. Or at least I am <g>
Hilary
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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 12:22:33 -0500
From: Bill Svitavsky <nbymail11@mln.lib.ma.us>
Subject: Re: CHAR: The Joker
At 07:51 AM 11/25/98 -0800, Hilary wrote:
>> And i think that batman has a PRE of 40 (or more). He scares mooks
>> witless with just his shadow. As Stephen King said "Is batman came
>> smashing in through my skylight, I'd be scared to death, even if I knew I
>> hadn't done *anything* wrong!"
>
>I don't think Batman should have that high a PRE, because it does not fit
>with the actions that occur in the comics. Example: Some goons(who most
>likely have a PRE of 10) are hastling some poor old lady in a dark alley.
>Suddenly a shadow overcomes them and the Batman is upon them. Now, not
>only does Batman get 1d6 for every 5 pts. of PRE, but he'd get some bonus
>d6 for his entrance, and he'd probably say something that would make the
>average joe wet
>themselves. Now if Batman has a PRE of like 50 or 60, then you toss in a
>couple of extra d6... roll this against a bunch of punks with a 10 PRE and
>all of them would end up doing exactly what Batman says. This never
>happens. They almost always lose a phase of action out of surprise and
>sometimes one of them will run, but they never lay down. They always
>fight. And if Batman had such a high presence they would all be having
>heart attacks.
I like your reasoning, but I'd still give the Batman a higher PRE. Keep in
mind that Batman is generally considerably outnumbered and outgunned when
attacking those goons (minus a die or two), and that he also uses his PRE
quite effectively against many high-PRE supervillains and even superheroes.
A recent JLA issue had him intimidate Metron of the New Gods.
I'd guess most of those goons are closer to PRE 13 - Gotham's got a lot of
scary people in it. And thugs working for the Joker and other dangerous
criminals might have some added incentive not to fail - the lingering
effects of the villains' own Presence Attacks.
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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 09:59:27 -0800
From: "Hilary" <kabuki@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Fw: CHAR: The Joker
I think this was supposed to go to the list
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> From: Brian Wawrow <bwawrow@mondello.toronto.fmco.com>
> To: Hilary <kabuki@ix.netcom.com>
> Subject: RE: CHAR: The Joker
> Date: Wednesday, November 25, 1998 9:36 AM
>
> I use a house rule that says you need at least 30 PRE to make your cape
> hang down three stories of the skyscraper you're posing on. Thus Batman
> and Spawn have at least 30 PRE.
>
> I agree though, that 60 might be a little high. I think 30 or 40 would
> be reasonable. That's plenty to scare the bejesus out of your average
> goon but not enough to make Two-Face beg for mercy at his arrival.
>
> > And i think that batman has a PRE of 40 (or more). He scares mooks
> > witless with just his shadow. As Stephen King said "Is batman came
> > smashing in through my skylight, I'd be scared to death, even if I
> knew I
> > hadn't done *anything* wrong!"
>
> I don't think Batman should have that high a PRE, because it does not
> fit
> with the actions that occur in the comics. Example: Some goons(who
> most
> likely have a PRE of 10) are hastling some poor old lady in a dark
> alley.
> Suddenly a shadow overcomes them and the Batman is upon them. Now, not
> only does Batman get 1d6 for every 5 pts. of PRE, but he'd get some
> bonus
> d6 for his entrance, and he'd probably say something that would make the
> average joe wet
> themselves. Now if Batman has a PRE of like 50 or 60, then you toss in
> a
> couple of extra d6... roll this against a bunch of punks with a 10 PRE
> and
> all of them would end up doing exactly what Batman says. This never
> happens. They almost always lose a phase of action out of surprise and
> sometimes one of them will run, but they never lay down. They always
> fight. And if Batman had such a high presence they would all be having
> heart attacks.
>
> I give Batman a 30 PRE and the Joker 30 PRE. Batman always makes an
> entrance that will generally give him extra d6 on a PRE attack, and the
> Joker, while he may not leap from the shadows, is so insane that he is
> frightening. Little ever phases him. And remember that PRE is also a
> charismatic value. Joker, for all his lunacy has a powerful aura. When
> he
> is standing in the middle of a crowd doing somethign nutty, people
> always
> notice. People are drawn to him, in a way, to watch the horrible acts
> he
> threatens to commit. Or at least I am <g>
>
> Hilary
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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 10:50:33 -0800 (PST)
From: Ell Egyptoid <egyptoid@yahoo.com>
Subject: CHAR: Trestler (part two)
Am I 19 or 49 years old Trestler asked himself as he ascended the
dais to the golden chamber of Step Six. Does it matter came the
mental answer. Five people in red robes stood around him. They each
had different items: A Computer, a Book, a Candle, a Robe, and a Sword.
Colonel Pfeitz was there, disrobing him. Naked he went into the circle
of gold. There were five total Circles inlaid on the terrazzo floor.
One circle of Iron, One of Silk, One of Circuits, and the inner circle
of paper inscibed with gothic runes. He stood on the pentagram and
waited. The numbness started at his feet, and he thought he would lose
his balance. "count backward from 666 by 7's" someone shouted into his
brain, and he hadn't even reached 582 by the time he went to sleep
standing up. When he awoke, he was clothed in the blue robe he had seen
earlier in the Seer's hand. The circles of silk, circuitry, and iron
were missing from the floor. He felt good though, and he looked
at his hands, and they had a greenish-grey cast to them. Puzzled, he
wished them back to their normal color and they complied. Pfeitz took
him by the hand. Via the skin contact, she telempathically relayed vast
amounts of info into his brain. Also she relayed great joy and pride
and love to him. She led to a side-room he had never seen before. In it
were new clothes, guns, ammo, backpacks, briefcases, radios, forensic
kits, spy glasses, suitcases, etc. etc. and a gold folder with a
dossier.
This is your new life she told him. I will no longer be with you daily,
they both said with regret. She helped him dress, put the robe in
the suitcase, helped him pack the land-rover outside, and gave him the
car keys, and set the dossier on the passenger seat. Then she went
back inside the lab and locked the door.
The maps in the folder led him to his new apartment in Hamburg where
there was another car in the driveway and someone else in the bedroom.
She was lovely, but cold. She had been sent there also, but not by the
Seers. They were to play husband and wife, both their dossiers said.
Her name was Ellen, she lied. They kissed, with no pleasure in it.
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Trestler comes into your Champions campaign with a European or NATO
connection, obviously. His cover ID is a technician who works on NATO
and German navy ships and subs all over the Atlantic. But that is his
deep cover for his real work: he is a Left Hand in the Body of the
Bavarians. He has been created with super-powers and conditioned to
fight a growing menace in the Bermuda Triangle. The threat is so great
that Bavaria and Zurich have joined forces to fight it. With magic,
science, and telepathy they have forged him as a weapon of great
endurance. The ceremony fused the silk, circuits, sword, and the iron
into his very flesh. That's where most of his Elemental Control comes
from. He only weighs 200kg, that's the IPE on Dens.Incr. His powers
show a mix of SFX, and that is deliberate, the Bavarian Illuminati
are tired of their agent's powers being easily dispelled or
suppressed. Also note his Power Def and Mental Def. They have gone to
great lengths
with their alterations to insure the mental and bodily integrity of
Trestler, oops I should call him Marc. He thinks and keeps his notes
and such in Esperanto, that's part of his shtick. Daily he injects
himself with "I6", a compound he believes necessary, as he is brain-
washed. It is a convincing placebo, and even though he has several
months supply, he uses it as an excuse to re-visit the lab where he
lived, and to see Pfeitz again. When he is hit by a Drain, Transfer,
etc. it does not do it's intended effect, as it dribbles off his Power
Defense. But he will take a d6 of stun for every 10 active points of
Adjustment powers he's hit with. Also this guy only fits into a plot
where extreme strangeness on a widespread level goes on. The Illuminati
aren't for everybody. He is not a combat monster, and will prove to
be a pain to PC's in places where fisticuffs won't be appropriate.
He makes a good "Hunted by Illuminati" agent if someone needs a disad.
He can pass himself off as an Arab, and pay blame on the Assassins,
or he can pass himself as Roswell-type alien, and lay blame on the
UFO's,
or he can impersonate a Deep One and confound the Cthulhians, etc. etc.
TRESTLER
Base Points: 150
DISADVANTAGES
10 Watched,"Seers of Bavaria, his Group",more powerful,
non-combat influence,limited area,mild,appear 14-
10 Watched,"Gnomes of Zurich, ally Group",more powerful,
non-combat influence,limited area,mild,appear 11-
10 Watched,"Society of Assassins",more powerful,non-combat
influence,limited area,harsh,appear 11-
10 Watched,"Bermuda Triangle Pirates",more powerful,non-combat
influence,limited area,harsh,appear 11-
10 Watched,"U.F.O. (Alpha Agents)",more powerful,non-combat
influence,limited area,harsh,appear 11-
10 Watched,"Adepts of Hermes",more powerful,non-combat
influence,limited area,harsh,appear 11-
10 Watched,"Discordian Agents",more powerful,non-combat
influence,limited area,harsh,appear 11-
10 Watched,"Network Hacks",more powerful,non-combat influence,
limited area,harsh,appear 11-
10 Watched,"Priests of Shangri-La",more powerful,non-combat
influence,limited area,harsh,appear 11-
10 Watched,"Disciples of Cthulhu",more powerful,non-combat
influence,limited area,harsh,appear 11-
15 Secret ID,"Marc Jakobi, Electronics Troubleshooter"
10 Rivalry,"Ellen Skanorek, Agent Provocateur for Zurich",both
10 Rep,"Destroyer",occur 8-,extreme reputation
15 Phys Lim,"Body is MAgnetic",frequently,greatly
15 Phys Lim,"Drug Addict",frequently,greatly
15 Psych Lim,"Brainwashed by the Bavarians",common,strong
10 Enraged,"versus enemy Secret Societies",common,occur 11-,
recover 11-
15 Psych Lim,"Prone to Violence",common,strong
5 DF: body radiates magic
10 Acc Chg,"Bio-Chem attacks shut off Elem.Control",uncommon,
occur 11-
25 Dep,"I6 drug: daily dose",uncommon,effect is instant,3D6
10 Dist Feature,"stony skin",concealable,minor
15 Susc,"Adjustment powers cause stun instead of working",
uncommon,per phase,1D6
QUIRKS
1 Prefers Kubrick Movies
1 Love: Colonel Glinda Pfeitz
1 Cannot Eat Lamb or Veal
1 Phrases and Slang from 1960's Austria
1 Votes Green Party
CHARACTERISTICS
33 STR 3
19 DEX 27
33 CON 2
11 BODY 2
15 INT 5
14 EGO 8
21 PRE 11
18 COM 4
14 PD 7
14 ED 3
3 SPD 1
10 REC 0
48 END -9
48 STUN 13
Characteristics Cost: 77
POWERS & SKILLS & EQUIPMENT
22 EC (Advanced-Genetics) (22),"Illuminated Breed"
28 a) Shape Shift (Mutant Powers),"Skin Color, SKin Texture,
Clothing changes also",limited group of shapes,0 END
Persistent,Invisible,Unusual Sense Group 0
24 b) 31 Power Defense,x1 Hard,x1 Difficult to Dispel
24 c) 34 Mental Defense (Psionic),x1 Hard,x1 Difficult to Dispel
23 d) Invisibility (Advanced-Genetics),Mental Group,0 END 0
23 e) 12/12 Armor,x1 Hard
22 f) +22 CON
19 g) 4 LVLS Density (stats already included),"only weighs 200KG"
(stats already included),Always On,Invisible,Unusual Sense
Group,0 END Persistent 0
10 Instant Change (Mutant Powers),any clothes
3 2 Rng Levels: Mini-Gun
9 3 Combat Levels,tight group
3 WF,Small Arms
3 WF,Common Melee
3 Martial Arts 13-
16 DC +4DC
4 M Strike
5 Off Strike
4 M Disarm
4 M Block
4 M Escape
3 Flying Tackle
4 Wpn Bind
4 Reversal
1 Lang: French
1 Lang: German
1 Lang: English
0 Lang: Esperanto,native
3 Tracking 12-
3 Stealth 13-
3 Disguise 13-
3 Security Systems 12-
3 Persuasion 13-
3 Mechanics 11-
17 KS: World Encyclopedia (Illuminati 23-,(INT based),Widely Read
Super-Genius, knows everything but with Bavarian slant
3 Forgery 11-
3 High Society 13-
3 13- Fast Draw
5 5 Resistance
3 Gambling 11-
2 AK: AK:Europe 11-
2 AK: AK:America 11-
2 PS: Spy 11-
2 PS: Photographer 11-
3 Lip Reading 11-
2 11- Contact: Illuminati Generals of Bavaria
1 Weapon Permit
1 International Drivers License
1 Passport
1 Black Belt
2 Level 2 Security Clearance
3 Anonymity
2 Deep Cover
5 Diplomatic Immunity
25 1/2D6 RKA (Metal),"Mini-Gun",vs physical defense,OAF,
personal focus,hard to recover,x1 AP,No Range Mod,0 END,
double cost (for autofire),Pen,AE,selective target,x5 AF,
+2 Inc STUN 0
3 Money,IIF,fragile
1 +2 Telescopic Sense (Hi-Tech),"Satellite Phone",
Hearing Group,OAF
1 HR Radio (Hi-Tech),"Comm Set",Focus: hand-set Unit,
Independent,x125 Inc Rng
Powers Cost: 375 Total Cost: 452 Disadvantages Total: 270
Experience Spent: 32 Total Points: 452
==
Laissez le bon pim roulez! Elliott aka Egyptoid
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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 13:39:21 -0600
From: "Guy Hoyle" <ghoyle1@airmail.net>
Subject: Fw: 'Old' Netscape Browsers
- ----------
> From: Michael Channing wilson <webmaster@lucidmind.com>
> To: Fame <fame@electrosurf.co.uk>
> Cc: hwg-graphics@hwg.org
> Subject: Re: 'Old' Netscape Browsers
> Date: Wednesday, November 25, 1998 12:05 PM
>
> Hi all,
>
> They are all on the Netscape Site. You must have overlooked it. go to:
> ftp://archive:oldies@archive.netscape.com/archive/index.html
> You can't use an ftp client because the directories are hidden. Just use
> your browser.
> They have stuff all the way back to NN2.0 I believe. I have NN version
> 1.1 if anyone wants it. let me know and I'll set up an FTP for it.
>
> Later,
>
>
> X
>
> Fame wrote:
> >
> > Hi...
> >
> > I've looked but can't remember where to download previous versions of =
> > Netscape (2,3 blah blah) from, been to Netscapes site but =
> > nothing.....can anyone give me a ftp site or www??
> >
> > fame
>
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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 98 22:43:41
From: "qts" <qts@nildram.co.uk>
Subject: Re: CHAR: The Joker
On Wed, 25 Nov 1998 12:22:33 -0500, Bill Svitavsky wrote:
>At 07:51 AM 11/25/98 -0800, Hilary wrote:
>>> And i think that batman has a PRE of 40 (or more). He scares mooks
>>> witless with just his shadow. As Stephen King said "Is batman came
>>> smashing in through my skylight, I'd be scared to death, even if I knew I
>>> hadn't done *anything* wrong!"
>>
>>I don't think Batman should have that high a PRE, because it does not fit
>>with the actions that occur in the comics. Example: Some goons(who most
>>likely have a PRE of 10) are hastling some poor old lady in a dark alley.
>>Suddenly a shadow overcomes them and the Batman is upon them. Now, not
>>only does Batman get 1d6 for every 5 pts. of PRE, but he'd get some bonus
>>d6 for his entrance, and he'd probably say something that would make the
>>average joe wet
>>themselves. Now if Batman has a PRE of like 50 or 60, then you toss in a
>>couple of extra d6... roll this against a bunch of punks with a 10 PRE and
>>all of them would end up doing exactly what Batman says. This never
>>happens. They almost always lose a phase of action out of surprise and
>>sometimes one of them will run, but they never lay down. They always
>>fight. And if Batman had such a high presence they would all be having
>>heart attacks.
>
>I like your reasoning, but I'd still give the Batman a higher PRE. Keep in
>mind that Batman is generally considerably outnumbered and outgunned when
>attacking those goons (minus a die or two), and that he also uses his PRE
>quite effectively against many high-PRE supervillains and even superheroes.
>A recent JLA issue had him intimidate Metron of the New Gods.
Here's an idea: make Batman's PRE Armour Piercing and Hardened, and
give the Joker some Presence Defense.
qts
Home: qts@nildram.co.uk.
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