Digest Archives Vol 1 Issue 54
Desmarais, John
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champ-l-digest Friday, November 27 1998 Volume 01 : Number 054
In this issue:
disads on EC's
Re: disads on EC's
Re: disads on EC's
Re: disads on EC's
Re: disads on EC's
RE: disads on EC's
Re: disads on EC's
Card Board Heroes
Re: disads on EC's
RE: Card Board Heroes
Blank Sheets from Creation Workshop
Re: disads on EC's
Re: Card Board Heroes
Re: Champions GM Screen
Re: Champions GM Screen
San Angelo
CHARACTER DESIGN CHECKLIST
Re: Champions GM Screen
Re: Card Board Heroes
Re: Card Board Heroes
Re: disads on EC's
Re: Champions GM Screen
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Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 11:57:36 -0500
From: Brian Wawrow <bwawrow@mondello.toronto.fmco.com>
Subject: disads on EC's
G'Day List,
So I'm building this brick and he's got an EC. The EC has predictable
brick stuff like armour, density, absorption and so on.
I want to spend a full phase turning on all the powers in the EC. So,
the disad is: [full phase to activate -1/2]. Can I apply this disad to
all the slots in the EC and still have them all turn on at once? Or can
I only apply the disad to the EC slot itself.
Opinions so far lean towards buying it only with the EC slot and none
of the power slots. The reasoning for this is that if it's applied to
each of the slots then it takes a full phase to activate each power slot
seperately.
Is there anything I can put on the slots to reflect this all-or-nothing
approach to the EC?
Thanks
BRI
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Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 13:17:00 -0500 (EST)
From: Jason Sullivan <ravanos@njcu.edu>
Subject: Re: disads on EC's
On Thu, 26 Nov 1998, Brian Wawrow wrote:
> I want to spend a full phase turning on all the powers in the EC. So,
> the disad is: [full phase to activate -1/2]. Can I apply this disad to
> all the slots in the EC and still have them all turn on at once? Or can
> I only apply the disad to the EC slot itself.
><snip>
> Is there anything I can put on the slots to reflect this all-or-nothing
> approach to the EC?
I would say, for the 'all or nothing' approach, your best bet
would be a Limitation valued at (-1/4), which would make it on par with
OIHID. Applied to your EC, the limitation would allow you to activate all
of the powers in the EC at once.
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Date: 26 Nov 1998 14:28:07 -0500
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net>
Subject: Re: disads on EC's
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"BW" == Brian Wawrow <bwawrow@mondello.toronto.fmco.com> writes:
BW> Opinions so far lean towards buying it only with the EC slot and none
BW> of the power slots. The reasoning for this is that if it's applied to
BW> each of the slots then it takes a full phase to activate each power
BW> slot seperately.
Nope.
Extra Time specifically states that you may perform other actions while the
power is "warming up" (unless the power is being used for an attack, in
which case you may not make an attack without aborting your warm-up time).
In other words, if you have five powers with Extra Time 1 Phase, you may
activate all five powers simultaneously. None of them will be ready for a
while, though.
Oh, by the way. Your bonus is halved becuase it appears that once you have
activated your powers they may be used normally without time restrictions.
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Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 15:31:11 -0500
From: Chris Hartjes <chris@ergmusic.com>
Subject: Re: disads on EC's
Stainless Steel Rat wrote:
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> "BW" == Brian Wawrow <bwawrow@mondello.toronto.fmco.com> writes:
>
> BW> Opinions so far lean towards buying it only with the EC slot and none
> BW> of the power slots. The reasoning for this is that if it's applied to
> BW> each of the slots then it takes a full phase to activate each power
> BW> slot seperately.
>
> Nope.
>
> Extra Time specifically states that you may perform other actions while the
> power is "warming up" (unless the power is being used for an attack, in
> which case you may not make an attack without aborting your warm-up time).
>
> In other words, if you have five powers with Extra Time 1 Phase, you may
> activate all five powers simultaneously. None of them will be ready for a
> while, though.
>
> Oh, by the way. Your bonus is halved becuase it appears that once you have
> activated your powers they may be used normally without time restrictions.
>
>
I'm the GM in the game that this character is going to be used in. He
forgot to mention that it also requires 0 DCV Concentration to
activate. If the overall limiation (1 full phase to activate, 0 DCV
concentrate) is applied to *each* power than how the heck is he every
going to turn all his powers on without getting turned into a grease
spot during a battle.
Chris Hartjes
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Date: 26 Nov 1998 16:19:23 -0500
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net>
Subject: Re: disads on EC's
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"CH" == Chris Hartjes <chris@ergmusic.com> writes:
CH> I'm the GM in the game that this character is going to be used in. He
CH> forgot to mention that it also requires 0 DCV Concentration to
CH> activate.
That really doesn't change much. Concentration has the following effects:
Your DCV is reduced. You are unaware of what is going on around you. With
Extra Time, it means you are a clueless sitting duck for that much longer.
CH> If the overall limiation (1 full phase to activate, 0 DCV concentrate)
Which is a -3/4 bonus, in addition to the EC bonus he is getting.
CH> is applied to *each* power than how the heck is he every going to turn
CH> all his powers on without getting turned into a grease spot during a
CH> battle.
Yeah, well, there is a reason why we call them "limitations" :).
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Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 17:22:48 -0500
From: Brian Wawrow <bwawrow@mondello.toronto.fmco.com>
Subject: RE: disads on EC's
But, isn't it true that if you're using the concentration disad, that
you can only concentrate on one thing at a time? If you had two powers
with both full phase to activate and concentration throughout, you
couldn't concentrate fully on both powers for a full phase.
Likewise, I assume the same to be true of gestures and incantations. If
your incantations take a full phase, your mouth is busy for the whole
phase.
] -----Original Message-----
] From: Stainless Steel Rat [mailto:ratinox@peorth.gweep.net]
] Sent: Thursday, November 26, 1998 4:19 PM
] To: Champions
] Subject: Re: disads on EC's
]
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] CH> I'm the GM in the game that this character is going to be
] used in. He
] CH> forgot to mention that it also requires 0 DCV Concentration to
] CH> activate.
]
] That really doesn't change much. Concentration has the
] following effects:
] Your DCV is reduced. You are unaware of what is going on
] around you. With
] Extra Time, it means you are a clueless sitting duck for that
] much longer.
]
] CH> If the overall limiation (1 full phase to activate, 0 DCV
] concentrate)
]
] Which is a -3/4 bonus, in addition to the EC bonus he is getting.
]
] CH> is applied to *each* power than how the heck is he every
] going to turn
] CH> all his powers on without getting turned into a grease
] spot during a
] CH> battle.
]
] Yeah, well, there is a reason why we call them "limitations" :).
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Date: Thu, 26 Nov 98 23:19:22
From: "qts" <qts@nildram.co.uk>
Subject: Re: disads on EC's
On Thu, 26 Nov 1998 11:57:36 -0500, Brian Wawrow wrote:
>G'Day List,
>
>So I'm building this brick and he's got an EC. The EC has predictable
>brick stuff like armour, density, absorption and so on.
>
>I want to spend a full phase turning on all the powers in the EC. So,
>the disad is: [full phase to activate -1/2]. Can I apply this disad to
>all the slots in the EC and still have them all turn on at once? Or can
>I only apply the disad to the EC slot itself.
>
>Opinions so far lean towards buying it only with the EC slot and none
>of the power slots. The reasoning for this is that if it's applied to
>each of the slots then it takes a full phase to activate each power slot
>seperately.
>
>Is there anything I can put on the slots to reflect this all-or-nothing
>approach to the EC?
Any limitation which applies to the EC slot *must* be applied to the
power slots.
qts
Home: qts@nildram.co.uk.
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Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 15:27:28 -0800 (PST)
From: Ell Egyptoid <egyptoid@yahoo.com>
Subject: Card Board Heroes
"Taking Body and Stun, from a bad dice roll,
then there was the knockback, and he's down in a hole.
Heard the roar of the guns, saw the brick start to scream,
he couldn't do a thing, in this GMO dream.
He heard the Doc say Aid!, that was all he'd need,
now he's back on his feet, gonna do that deed.
With a wild haymaker, on a move-by blow,
Was a one way ticket, only one way to go.
So he started punching, ain't never gonna stop
Gotta keep on fighting, gonna make that bad guy drop.
And be a Card Board Hero (got stars in his eyes), he's a Card Board
Hero.."
apologies to Foreigner .. this isn't just a parody post.
I have some questions for the list about Cardboard Heroes. (aka CBH)
There are some jpeg files of CBH posted on the Champions
mailing list web-ste. (under the Spoo secton)
Current Usage:
1. Has anyone downloaded them?
2. of those, has anyone printed them?
3. of those, has anyone assembled them?
4. of those, has anyone used them in their game?
Future Desires:
1. Do those interested need/want more?
2. of those, what kind would be more interesting?
I may do more of them, but it'd be nice to see what the "crowd" thinks.
(Reply to me personally, unless you wish to generate more
discussion germane to the list. Thanks.)
==
Laissez le bon pim roulez! Elliott aka Egyptoid
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Date: 26 Nov 1998 20:59:38 -0500
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net>
Subject: Re: disads on EC's
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"BW" == Brian Wawrow <bwawrow@mondello.toronto.fmco.com> writes:
BW> But, isn't it true that if you're using the concentration disad, that
BW> you can only concentrate on one thing at a time?
The description of the Limitation says no such thing.
BW> If you had two powers with both full phase to activate and
BW> concentration throughout, you couldn't concentrate fully on both powers
BW> for a full phase.
There is nothing in the description that restricts your actions, only your
DCV and perceptions.
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Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 18:13:08 -0800
From: "Filksinger" <filkhero@usa.net>
Subject: RE: Card Board Heroes
From: Ell Egyptoid
>
> "Taking Body and Stun, from a bad dice roll,
> then there was the knockback, and he's down in a hole.
> Heard the roar of the guns, saw the brick start to scream,
> he couldn't do a thing, in this GMO dream.
> He heard the Doc say Aid!, that was all he'd need,
> now he's back on his feet, gonna do that deed.
> With a wild haymaker, on a move-by blow,
> Was a one way ticket, only one way to go.
> So he started punching, ain't never gonna stop
> Gotta keep on fighting, gonna make that bad guy drop.
> And be a Card Board Hero (got stars in his eyes), he's a Card Board
> Hero.."
>
> apologies to Foreigner .. this isn't just a parody post.
That's not just parody, that's filk!
Filksinger
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Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 22:19:39 -0500
From: "Lisa Hartjes" <beren@unforgettable.com>
Subject: Blank Sheets from Creation Workshop
Has anyone been able to print out blank character sheets through CW? I like
the layout, but would like to be able to do rough notes on the sheet in
paper before doing it up in the program.
Lisa Hartjes
beren@unforgettable.com
http://roswell.fortunecity.com/daniken/79
ICQ: Berengiere (9062561)
"Evil is only victorious when Good chooses not to win."
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Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 15:25:42 -0800
From: Rick Holding <rholding@ActOnline.com.au>
Subject: Re: disads on EC's
Brian Wawrow wrote:
>
> But, isn't it true that if you're using the concentration disad, that
> you can only concentrate on one thing at a time? If you had two powers
> with both full phase to activate and concentration throughout, you
> couldn't concentrate fully on both powers for a full phase.
>
> Likewise, I assume the same to be true of gestures and incantations. If
> your incantations take a full phase, your mouth is busy for the whole
> phase.
Further to what Rat said in his reply, gestures and incantations DOES
say that while using the limitations, no other powers with the
limitations can be used.
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Rick Holding
If only "common sense" was just a bit more common...
or if you prefer... You call this logic ?
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Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 08:53:59 EST
From: Leuszler@aol.com
Subject: Re: Card Board Heroes
In a message dated 11/26/98 8:06:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
egyptoid@yahoo.com writes:
> Current Usage:
> 1. Has anyone downloaded them?
I have. They're cool, until I reduce them to a workable size.
> 2. of those, has anyone printed them?
Yep.
> 3. of those, has anyone assembled them?
Not yet. You're basic design is sound, but I need to get ahold of some
heavier stock paper before I put them together.
> 4. of those, has anyone used them in their game?
Actually, I downloaded the Superman Good Guys set for my little boy, but I got
a huge kick out of all of the Kirby characters on it.
>
> Future Desires:
> 1. Do those interested need/want more?
Sure...
> 2. of those, what kind would be more interesting?
I got a big kick out of the DC animated stuff. Could you do a few generic
templates that other people could design their own characters on? Maybe do
several different body types. And some generic robots and other types of
creatures superheroes encounter.
>
Excellent stuff. Keep up the good work.
Mike Leuszler
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Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 09:03:11 EST
From: Leuszler@aol.com
Subject: Re: Champions GM Screen
Anyone know of a Champions 4th edition GM screen? I've never heard of one.
Mike Leuszler
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Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 10:00:11 EST
From: Leuszler@aol.com
Subject: Re: Champions GM Screen
In a message dated 11/27/98 10:57:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
ghoyle1@airmail.net writes:
> Yes, it came out shortly after the BBB came out. It included a power
> summary list, all kinds of charts and forms, a set of cardboard character
> counters (similar to Cardboard Heroes (tm)), etc. It's out of print now.
Anybody know where I can get one? Or is there a homemade one online that I
can download?
Mike Leuszler
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Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 07:30:55 -0800
From: Darrin Kelley <backflash@mindspring.com>
Subject: San Angelo
My copy of San Angelo finally appeared at the local comic book shop.
So I will be picking it up next week and reading it then. I have skimmed
it at a local comic book store and it looks good. I will say more later.
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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 00:22:10 -0600
From: "Guy Hoyle" <ghoyle1@airmail.net>
Subject: CHARACTER DESIGN CHECKLIST
I'm trying to assemble a list of things to check for when I'm constructing
characters, and I was wondering what problems GMs typically encounter when
their players design characters. The only one I can think of off the top of
my head is missing the characteristic breakpoints, but I'm sure there are
others, as well. Can anybody else give me some pointers for creating
well-designed characetrs?
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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 00:27:29 -0600
From: "Guy Hoyle" <ghoyle1@airmail.net>
Subject: Re: Champions GM Screen
Yes, it came out shortly after the BBB came out. It included a power
summary list, all kinds of charts and forms, a set of cardboard character
counters (similar to Cardboard Heroes (tm)), etc. It's out of print now.
Guy Hoyle
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From: Leuszler@aol.com <Leuszler@aol.com>
To: champ-l@sysabend.org <champ-l@sysabend.org>
Date: Friday, November 27, 1998 8:34 AM
Subject: Re: Champions GM Screen
|Anyone know of a Champions 4th edition GM screen? I've never heard of one.
|
|Mike Leuszler
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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 00:05:45 -0600
From: "Guy Hoyle" <ghoyle1@airmail.net>
Subject: Re: Card Board Heroes
|> Current Usage:
|> 1. Has anyone downloaded them?
I missed where they are located. Would somebody mind reposting the URL?|>
Future Desires:
|> 1. Do those interested need/want more?
|
|Sure...
|
|> 2. of those, what kind would be more interesting?
|
|I got a big kick out of the DC animated stuff. Could you do a few generic
|templates that other people could design their own characters on? Maybe do
|several different body types. And some generic robots and other types of
|creatures superheroes encounter.
Some generic ones would be great. Maybe some depictions of the basic types:
bricks, energy projectors, acrobats, fliers, speedsters, etc. Both male and
female.
Great!
Guy
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Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 06:57:12 -0800
From: Bob Greenwade <bob.greenwade@klock.com>
Subject: Re: Card Board Heroes
At 03:27 PM 11/26/98 -0800, Ell Egyptoid wrote:
>I have some questions for the list about Cardboard Heroes. (aka CBH)
>
>There are some jpeg files of CBH posted on the Champions
>mailing list web-ste. (under the Spoo secton)
>
>Current Usage:
>1. Has anyone downloaded them?
>2. of those, has anyone printed them?
>3. of those, has anyone assembled them?
>4. of those, has anyone used them in their game?
>
>Future Desires:
>1. Do those interested need/want more?
>2. of those, what kind would be more interesting?
>
>I may do more of them, but it'd be nice to see what the "crowd" thinks.
I looked at them and didn't grab them, mostly because they're of
specific "super" characters that I will probably never use in my game.
What would be ideal would be Champions Universe characters, though the
Hero Guys may object on grounds of copyright; or generic normals, including
cops, uniformed government agents, military personnel, and such.
>(Reply to me personally, unless you wish to generate more
>discussion germane to the list. Thanks.)
I do think that this is a germane issue. :-]
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Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 07:01:41 -0800
From: Bob Greenwade <bob.greenwade@klock.com>
Subject: Re: disads on EC's
At 11:57 AM 11/26/98 -0500, Brian Wawrow wrote:
>G'Day List,
>
>So I'm building this brick and he's got an EC. The EC has predictable
>brick stuff like armour, density, absorption and so on.
>
>I want to spend a full phase turning on all the powers in the EC. So,
>the disad is: [full phase to activate -1/2]. Can I apply this disad to
>all the slots in the EC and still have them all turn on at once? Or can
>I only apply the disad to the EC slot itself.
>
>Opinions so far lean towards buying it only with the EC slot and none
>of the power slots. The reasoning for this is that if it's applied to
>each of the slots then it takes a full phase to activate each power slot
>seperately.
>
>Is there anything I can put on the slots to reflect this all-or-nothing
>approach to the EC?
Well, for one thing, that's not a Disadvantage; it's a Limitation.
More to the point, though, I'm not sure if this can even be done under a
strict interpretation of the rules. Just offhand I think I'd apply it as a
- -1/4 Limitation to the EC pool (which is what I assume you mean by "buying
it only with the EC slot" -- and which, by the way, *automatically* applies
it to all slots) and saying that, while it still takes a full Phase to
activate, it's less of a Limitation because it applies to the overall Pool
in the manner you describe rather than to the slots individually.
- ---
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http://www.klock.com/public/users/bob.greenwade/original.htm
Merry-Go-Round Webring -- wanna join?
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Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 08:39:40 -0800
From: Shelley Chrystal Mactyre <scm@mactyre.net>
Subject: Re: Champions GM Screen
At 12:27 AM 11/21/98 -0600, Guy Hoyle wrote:
>Yes, it came out shortly after the BBB came out. It included a power
>summary list, all kinds of charts and forms, a set of cardboard character
>counters (similar to Cardboard Heroes (tm)), etc. It's out of print now.
>
>Guy Hoyle
I thought I'd lost mine a couple of years back, and I got so frustrated
trying to find one I finally offered any player who found it 10 experience
points. I ended up with two old, pre-fourth GM screens, but no one managed
to dig one up.
Of course, a month later I found mine buried on the bookcase. =)
Shelley Chrystal Mactyre
http://www.mactyre.net
A man shares your table; the dog is banned and stands by your threshold.
What a shame that the dog is faithful, while a man bites the hand that
feeds him!
- --Sa'di
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