Digest Archives Vol 1 Issue 58
Desmarais, John
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champ-l-digest Tuesday, December 1 1998 Volume 01 : Number 058
In this issue:
RE: need loser villains
RE: need loser villains
Re: 4 lasers = one?
Re: A new player in the arena...
Re: 4 lasers = one?
Re: need loser villains
Re: 4 lasers = one?
Re: A new player in the arena...
Re: 4 lasers = one?
Re: A new player in the arena...
re: need loser villains
Re: A new player in the arena...
Re: need loser villains
Re: A new player in the arena...
Re: A new player in the arena...
RE: need loser villains
Looser Villians
Re: need loser villains
Re: 4 lasers = one?
Re: CHARACTER DESIGN CHECKLIST
Supersonic Flight?
RE: A new player in the arena...
Oh. That Invictus.
Package Deals
RE: A new player in the arena...
Re: Package Deals
RE: A new player in the arena...
Re: Supersonic Flight?
RE: need loser villains
Creation Workshop
Re: need loser villains
Re: A new player in the arena...
RE: A new player in the arena...
RE: A new player in the arena...
Re: Supersonic Flight?
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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 17:18:09 -0500
From: Brian Wawrow <bwawrow@mondello.toronto.fmco.com>
Subject: RE: need loser villains
I haven't added anything to this conversation yet and I'm feeling chatty
today, so here goes.
Professor Groovy: The Professor is a mentalist whose main ability is to
project his mental state onto those around him. Since he's baked out of
his tree most of the time, this manifests itself as an EGO suppression,
bought as an EGO power, that acts over a radius with no range. When
people's EGO's drop to 0, have them make EGO rolls to do anything other
than eat Doritos, watch TV or sit on the couch. He has botanical science
skills and KS's on psychadealic music, maintaining that Hawkwind is the
greatest band ever.
Cornholio: NND cone attack from his ass. From the Beavis and Butthead
school of criminals. It doesn't get much less tasteful than this.
Explodo: Explodo has a really fierce explosive attack, like 16D6 or so.
Sadly, poor explodo takes a full turn to crank it up and then has to
make an 8 or less activation. Upon failing the activation roll,
Explodo's side FX kick in and lay the same attack with him at ground
zero. In order to survive a single fight, Explodo has massive damage
reduction [only vs. explosions], stun, bod and regen. The smart
criminals all say, "Never, ever ever work with Explodo"
KiloHertz Man: KiloHertz Man flies, has a SPD of 12 and a serious glass
jaw. He can't project anything and punches like a kitten. He knows loads
about programming ancient computers like AS400's, Commodore 64's and
Timex TI99's. He can hack an Atari 2600 cartridge better than anyone in
the world and still thinks punch cards are a perfectly reasonable user
interface.
Bedrock: Bedrock is a Canadian super who has a 60 active EC with growth,
density, armour, damage reduction and absorption to juice his BOD. His
EC has the disad, ODCV concentration throughout and requires a
successful 'Simulate Death' roll to activate, which takes one hour. Many
of Bedrock's successful evil deeds in the past have involved totally
clogging up a major urban intersection. He once stood in the middle of
Yonge. and Bloor in Toronto for 2 days until he eventually fell asleep
and was run over by a taxi cab.
The Neon Skull. The Neon Skull can change the shape and colour of his
face to whatever he wishes, provided he wishes the shape to be a skull
and the colour to be something gaudy and intense. Fortunatley, this is
what the Neon Skull always wants to look like. Recently, the Neon Skull
went through a meltdown and found a new power. Now he can make his face
glow very brightly. Not bright enough for a flash, but still pretty
bright.
Black Jaques Chelaque. An imortal French Canadian super villian whose
power came as a curse from an Algonquin shaman over three hundred years
ago. Black Jaques has full life support. He's a pretty crappy shot with
his 1/2D6 thrown knives but he has a psych lim that makes him howl like
an idiot when he runs into battle. Of course his berzerk is triggered by
his howl. Sadly, he's not strong enough to break out of the plastic
handcuffs the mall security guys always put on him. He's obsessed with
stealing gold and isn't above rolling an old lady to get it. He cheats
at black jack and he's not very good at that either. Black Jaques speaks
only old rural Quebecois french.
Yosemite Stan: Black Jaques Chelaque's partner in crime. Stan also makes
a presence attack every time he goes into combat. To help his presence
attack, he empties his six shooters into the air for a full turn. He has
an insanely large red moustache. Stan doesn't speak any french at all so
he and Jaques tend to make a lot of assumptions about what the other is
talking about.
Hope that helps. I appologize for Cornholio.
BRI
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]
]
] Last call for goofy villain ideas to be included in
] the compilation.
]
] I'm surprised no-one mentioned any of the gems from Tick!
] Cow, Chair-face, Red Menace, etc. ;)
]
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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 19:07:23 -0500 (EST)
From: tdj723@webtv.net (thomas deja)
Subject: RE: need loser villains
Your talk of Explodo reminds me of Apocalypso who had only one power--a
25D6 Explosion, no Range, AP. He could only use the power once,
however, and coasted through life threatening without letting go.
"'Remember, Boo-Boo...we only have one weakness."
"What's that?"
"Bullets."
--Rat Phink and Boo-Boo, RAT PHINK A BOO BOO
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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 08:56:41 -0800 (PST)
From: shaw@caprica.com (Wayne Shaw)
Subject: Re: 4 lasers = one?
> I am building a spaceship for a science fiction game and am
>trying to figure out how to do a weapons system. The ship has 4 laser
>cannons that can be fired together in one attack or seperately. How do I
>buy this?
> Is is two seperate attacks? Could it be one attack with Auto
>Fire?
I'd suggest the latter. Though you will run into problems if the targets
are widely dispersed. It's not something the system currently handles well.
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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 19:19:52 -0500 (EST)
From: Glen Sprigg <borealis@cois.on.ca>
Subject: Re: A new player in the arena...
> Not a bad premise. I think it might've been more interesting if more
>folks here were familiar with Invictus (as I happen to be). But the idea
>of a villain posing as a hero vs the hero he's framed to make look like a
>villain is an interesting twist that, in fact, hasn't really been explored
>much in comics (though the syndicated cartoon "Street Sharks" did it nicely).
I'm only familiar with Invictus because of Borealis; if he wasn't mentioned
in Borealis' writeup, I wouldn't have thought of him; I only use two or
three characters out of Enemies: Villainy Unbound.
> Where do the PCs fit into this, the way you have it set up?
It depends on whether or not the PCs are American or Canadian, really. For
my own purposes, running a Canadian campaign, Borealis is like the Superman
of Canada; he handles the big problems, and since he can move at the speed
of light, he can be anywhere in the country in seconds. So the PCs know
about him as the most recognizable Canadian superhero.
The PCs would also be targeted by Invictus, to a lesser degree. Since he
intends to take over the entire continent, he would need to eliminate them
as a threat as well. They might not be at Borealis' level, but they
certainly aren't going to be pushovers, either. So they'll have to deal
with Invictus' media campaign against them, which could cause American hero
teams who buy into Invictus' hype to treat the Canadians with a hint of
contempt or even outright hostility. In Canada itself, the media would be
torn between saying that the Americans are just jealous because Canadian
heroes are much cooler than Americans, or some would even buy into the
American stance and start a campaign to restrict the superheroes (much in
the same way the government in Canada is passing a VERY controversial
gun-control law right now).
American heroes might even try to capture Borealis, bringing Canadian heroes
in conflict with Americans as they assist their ally. Or, the Americans
might come after the PCs themselves, citing charges and incidents that have
been exaggerated or fabricated by Invictus.
Yes, Invictus is one nasty bugger in this campaign. He's defintely the
campaign's main villain. While there are a couple of other organizations
that are problematic, Invictus and his paranormal cadre are the worst of the
bunch, because they want to take our land away from us, and we (Borealis,
the PCs, and other NPC heroes) ain't gonna let that happen.
Glen
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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 20:24:51 -0500
From: Scott Nolan <nolan@erols.com>
Subject: Re: 4 lasers = one?
At 08:56 AM 11/30/98 -0800, Wayne Shaw wrote:
>> I am building a spaceship for a science fiction game and am
>>trying to figure out how to do a weapons system. The ship has 4 laser
>>cannons that can be fired together in one attack or seperately. How do I
>>buy this?
>> Is is two seperate attacks? Could it be one attack with Auto
>>Fire?
>
>I'd suggest the latter. Though you will run into problems if the targets
>are widely dispersed. It's not something the system currently handles well.
Why not a two-power multipower?
Something like:
90 Point Multipower
9u - Independent Fire -12d6 Energy Blast, Autofire
9u - Massed Fire - 18d6 Energy Blast
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Posterity shall triumph in this day's business,
even thought we may regret it. I trust we shall not."
John Adams. 2 July 1776
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Scott C. Nolan
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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 17:24:34 -3200 (PST)
From: "Steven J. Owens" <puff@netcom.com>
Subject: Re: need loser villains
Brian Wawrow writes:
> Professor Groovy: The Professor is a mentalist whose main ability is to
> project his mental state onto those around him. Since he's baked out of
> his tree most of the time, this manifests itself as an EGO suppression,
> bought as an EGO power, that acts over a radius with no range. When
> people's EGO's drop to 0, have them make EGO rolls to do anything other
> than eat Doritos, watch TV or sit on the couch. He has botanical science
> skills and KS's on psychadealic music, maintaining that Hawkwind is the
> greatest band ever.
Reminds me of a mentalist character I once wrote up; contagious
delusions (Mental Illusions), to sum it up. Plus he had sensitivity
to psychic impressions (retrocognition) that manifested as delusions
of the people or creatures (real or imaginary) associated with a place
or thing. Fun character to throw into a situation (as an NPC). Not
quite a loser but not exactly a combat-effective.
Steven J. Owens
puff@netcom.com
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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 10:43:19 -0800 (PST)
From: shaw@caprica.com (Wayne Shaw)
Subject: Re: 4 lasers = one?
>At 08:56 AM 11/30/98 -0800, Wayne Shaw wrote:
>>> I am building a spaceship for a science fiction game and am
>>>trying to figure out how to do a weapons system. The ship has 4 laser
>>>cannons that can be fired together in one attack or seperately. How do I
>>>buy this?
>>> Is is two seperate attacks? Could it be one attack with Auto
>>>Fire?
>>
>>I'd suggest the latter. Though you will run into problems if the targets
>>are widely dispersed. It's not something the system currently handles well.
>
>Why not a two-power multipower?
>
>Something like:
>
>90 Point Multipower
>9u - Independent Fire -12d6 Energy Blast, Autofire
>9u - Massed Fire - 18d6 Energy Blast
There's nothing wrong with that, but the real problem is that it doesn't
well address the ability of a vehicle to fire at multiple, widely spaced
opponents. As written, neither solutions solves that.
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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 19:10:13 -0800
From: Bob Greenwade <bob.greenwade@klock.com>
Subject: Re: A new player in the arena...
At 07:19 PM 11/30/98 -0500, Glen Sprigg wrote:
>> Not a bad premise. I think it might've been more interesting if more
>>folks here were familiar with Invictus (as I happen to be). But the idea
>>of a villain posing as a hero vs the hero he's framed to make look like a
>>villain is an interesting twist that, in fact, hasn't really been explored
>>much in comics (though the syndicated cartoon "Street Sharks" did it
nicely).
>
>I'm only familiar with Invictus because of Borealis; if he wasn't mentioned
>in Borealis' writeup, I wouldn't have thought of him; I only use two or
>three characters out of Enemies: Villainy Unbound.
Hmmm...
All this, along with the rest of your post makes me wonder: is it about
time to have a 5th Edition update of Invictus? I don't think I'm really in
a good position to be the one to update him, but he might work well in,
say, a Chicago sourcebook. ;-]
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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 22:19:56 -0500
From: Scott Nolan <nolan@erols.com>
Subject: Re: 4 lasers = one?
>>90 Point Multipower
>>9u - Independent Fire -12d6 Energy Blast, Autofire
>>9u - Massed Fire - 18d6 Energy Blast
>
>There's nothing wrong with that, but the real problem is that it doesn't
>well address the ability of a vehicle to fire at multiple, widely spaced
>opponents. As written, neither solutions solves that.
Alright. How's about:
150 Point Multipower
9u - "Independent Fire" - 12d6 Energy Blast, Area Effect, x2 Increased
Area, Selective, No Range, Limited to Four Targets (-1/4)
9u - "Massed Fire" - 18d6 Energy Blast
This simulates the ship's ability to hit any target within range,
regardless of
direction. The "Selective" advantage simulates having separate gunners,
and the "No Range" limitation simulates the fact that the ship is at the
center
of the area. The ship can now independantly target up to four ships within
Medium range (12 hexes), or blow the heck out of something at ranges up to
18 hexes.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Posterity shall triumph in this day's business,
even thought we may regret it. I trust we shall not."
John Adams. 2 July 1776
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Scott C. Nolan
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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 22:08:07 EST
From: llwatts@juno.com (Leah L Watts)
Subject: Re: A new player in the arena...
>So here's my theory: Borealis is in fact Canada's greatest hero, and one
of
>the most powerful in the world; <snip> He knows about
>Invictus' ambitions, having learned of them early in both men's careers.
So
>Invictus realizes that Borealis is the most dangerous opposition to his
>plans, both because he knows about them and because he's strong enough
to
>take Invictus down in a firefight.
>
>Therefore, he has been using his influence in the American media and at
>various political levels to discredit Borealis at every turn.
Sneaky, very sneaky. Just one point -- a few years back, I had relatives
in North Dakota, and the public radio station they listened to (and one
of them worked at) carried a news program produced in Canada.
Even if Invictus has enough pull to keep "foreign" news programs off of
American stations (and since I don't have that book, I don't know if he
could), there will be people living near the Canadian border who could
easily pick up Canadian radio/TV stations, and get versions of those news
stories that wouldn't match up with American accounts. If you're using
Shelley's PRIMUS book, the Seattle base might just be in range for
accurate reporting of what Borealis is doing. Might make it hard for
those agents to support a "catch Borealis" raid.
Leah
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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 23:57:43 -0500
From: geoff heald <gheald@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: re: need loser villains
At 11:37 AM 11/30/98 -0800, you wrote:
>Last call for goofy villain ideas to be included in
>the compilation.
>
>I'm surprised no-one mentioned any of the gems from Tick!
>Cow, Chair-face, Red Menace, etc. ;)
>
I guess I missed this entire thread. Either I didn't get those messages or
(more likely) they came during the 10 days my email was out.
Could somebody bring me up to date (off list)?
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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 23:42:17 -0600 (Central Standard Time)
From: Tim Gilberg <gilberg@ou.edu>
Subject: Re: A new player in the arena...
> Hmmm...
> All this, along with the rest of your post makes me wonder: is it about
> time to have a 5th Edition update of Invictus? I don't think I'm really in
> a good position to be the one to update him, but he might work well in,
> say, a Chicago sourcebook. ;-]
I feel a strange disturbance in the force...oh, it's just a thinly
veiled hint by Bob.
One problem. Who is Invictus? What book?
-Tim Gilberg
-"English Majors of the World! Untie!"
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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 23:59:36 -0500
From: geoff heald <gheald@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: need loser villains
At 02:47 PM 11/30/98 -0600, you wrote:
>I was talking about something with my fiance, and said the phrase "gravity
>and blah blah blah", when her niece corrected me and said "Raggety Anne".
>And thus was born the final member of my loser villain team: Gravity Anne,
>who wears ragamuffin clothes, clown makeup, and has gravity powers.
>
Sorry to nit-pick, but that's "Raggety Ann" not "Anne". Unless, of course,
she really said, "Raggety Anne".
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Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 00:09:46 -0800 (PST)
From: "Steven J. Owens" <puff@netcom.com>
Subject: Re: A new player in the arena...
Leah L Watts writes:
> >So here's my theory: Borealis is in fact Canada's greatest hero, and one
> >of the most powerful in the world; <snip> He knows about
> >Invictus [...] has been using his influence in the American media and at
> >various political levels to discredit Borealis at every turn.
>
> Sneaky, very sneaky. Just one point -- a few years back, I had relatives
> in North Dakota, and the public radio station they listened to (and one
> of them worked at) carried a news program produced in Canada.
>
> Even if Invictus has enough pull to keep "foreign" news programs off of
> American stations (and since I don't have that book, I don't know if he
> could),
There's a notorious dearth of U.S. coverage of canadian issues in
the media, or at least it was a major topic at the Popular Culture
Association I attended in Toronto, back in '89, and I haven't seen any
sign of a change in it.
(Btw, do Canadians still find the typical United State tourist's
abrogation of "american" to refer solely to the lower chunk of the
northern continent offensive? My favorite laugh when visiting was
watching tourists ask "Do you take american money?" "Why yes we do,
and we take United States money too.")
> there will be people living near the Canadian border who could
> easily pick up Canadian radio/TV stations, and get versions of those news
> stories that wouldn't match up with American accounts. If you're using
> Shelley's PRIMUS book, the Seattle base might just be in range for
> accurate reporting of what Borealis is doing. Might make it hard for
> those agents to support a "catch Borealis" raid.
You've never heard of politics? Even if the canadian media was
massively boosting Invictus, and signficant portions of it were
sifting across the border, a concerted FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt)
campaign combined with agressive rumor-mongering by appropriate
extremist media personalities would politicize the whole thing and
turn it into a case of "he said/she said".
This could even be fun; if I were writing such a supplement (not
that I'm volunteering) I'd try to make it viable to go both ways, keep
the players guessing! :-).
Steven J. Owens
puff@netcom.com
"Paranoia strikes deep,
Into your heart it will creep..."
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Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 07:32:39 -0500 (EST)
From: tdj723@webtv.net (thomas deja)
Subject: Re: A new player in the arena...
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Invictus was an interesting character from ENEMIES UNBOUND, which I
*think* was a 3rd Edition supplement, a super-right wing neo-Nazi wacko
with government ties who hides his depravity behind super-hero togs.
"'Remember, Boo-Boo...we only have one weakness."
"What's that, Rat Fink?"
"mmmmm.....Bullets."
--Rat Fink and Boo-Boo, RAT FINK A BOO BOO
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> Hmmm...
> All this, along with the rest of your post makes me wonder: is it about
> time to have a 5th Edition update of Invictus? I don't think I'm really in
> a good position to be the one to update him, but he might work well in,
> say, a Chicago sourcebook. ;-]
I feel a strange disturbance in the force...oh, it's just a thinly
veiled hint by Bob.
One problem. Who is Invictus? What book?
-Tim Gilberg
-"English Majors of the World! Untie!"
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Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:26:37 -0600 (CST)
From: "Dr. Nuncheon" <jeffj@io.com>
Subject: RE: need loser villains
On Mon, 30 Nov 1998, thomas deja wrote:
> Your talk of Explodo reminds me of Apocalypso who had only one power--a
> 25D6 Explosion, no Range, AP. He could only use the power once,
> however, and coasted through life threatening without letting go.
Sounds like Hand Grenade Man from The Tick...he has no powers, but he does
have a hand grenade, and he looks like he might use it...
J
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Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 09:13:26 -0500 (EST)
From: Jason Sullivan <ravanos@njcu.edu>
Subject: Looser Villians
...MetroGnome's evil cousin.
Gnomad. Gnomad is a stoutly sized (Shrinking) Martial Artist
(Capoeria) vigilante who moves from place to place. He's a loner, a
vagabond, a rebel... (Psychological Limitations) and he has a white beard
(Distinctive Feature). He dosen't take kindly to short jokes (Enraged).
This pint sized peck of power has no -real- powers, and will often cause
trouble for players when he engages in some 'midget tossing' (i.e. he
tosses others around).
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Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:28:05 -0600 (CST)
From: "Dr. Nuncheon" <jeffj@io.com>
Subject: Re: need loser villains
On Mon, 30 Nov 1998, geoff heald wrote:
> At 02:47 PM 11/30/98 -0600, you wrote:
> >I was talking about something with my fiance, and said the phrase "gravity
> >and blah blah blah", when her niece corrected me and said "Raggety Anne".
> >And thus was born the final member of my loser villain team: Gravity Anne,
> >who wears ragamuffin clothes, clown makeup, and has gravity powers.
> >
> Sorry to nit-pick, but that's "Raggety Ann" not "Anne". Unless, of course,
> she really said, "Raggety Anne".
And to nitpick the nitpick...
That'd be 'Raggedy Ann', I think.
And how can you tell the difference betweene 'Anne' and 'Ann' in speech,
anyway?
J
Hostes aliengeni me abduxerent. Jeff Johnston - jeffj@io.com
Qui annus est? http://www.io.com/~jeffj
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Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 09:16:29 -0600
From: redbf@ldd.net (bobby farris)
Subject: Re: 4 lasers = one?
Thanks to all those that replied.
I ended up going with the Autofire advantage. Although the more I think of
it I kinda like the idea of one big attack with reduced penetration.
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Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 10:05:04 -0500
From: Bill Svitavsky <nbymail11@mln.lib.ma.us>
Subject: Re: CHARACTER DESIGN CHECKLIST
At 02:14 PM 11/30/98 PST, Jesse Thomas wrote:
>On Mon, 30 Nov 1998 Bill Svitavsky wrote:
>>
>>Pointwise, in creating characters I try to keep in mind a balance of
>>offensive, defensive, and movement powers. That's not to say my
>characters
>>are always strong in all three areas, but at least I know what I'm
>doing
>>when I create a guy who's always going to be bumming rides from faster
>>moving teammates.
>
>Bill, I hope you know that we're always more than happy to give you a
>lift. Just so long as you remind us to keep our resistant defenses up.
>Wouldn't want a repeat of the infamous 'Arrow Incident', now would we?
>
><duck & cover>
>
>Jesse
>
Not accidentally, we wouldn't. :-)
Jesse's referring to an unfortunate incident in a game we played in
together a little while ago. I still think my character inexplicably
shooting an ally in the back merely because I rolled an 18 was overly
harsh. My character was *not* incompetent with a bow, and a bad roll merely
indicates bad luck or a mistake - not momentary incompetence. I wouldn't
have objected to a broken bow string, or even to a teammate moving
unexpectedly into the path of my arrow, but an unexplained "you shoot him
in the back" seemed a bit cruel to me. (On my first attack of the campaign,
no less.)
Yeah, I should let it go. But *certain people* keep bringing it up...
Bill
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Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 10:05:56 -0600
From: redbf@ldd.net (bobby farris)
Subject: Supersonic Flight?
I have just purchased the Hero template for Creation Workshop and
noticed that it allows me to buy a power called "Supersonic flight".
This power is bought in multiples of the speed of sound. Mach One is 5
pts. Mach two is 10 pts etc.
Is this a new power that I missed? I can't find any rules for it. Is
the a flub up with CW?
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Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:48:30 -0500
From: Brian Wawrow <bwawrow@mondello.toronto.fmco.com>
Subject: RE: A new player in the arena...
Sorry to be a cynic but consider the situation. The news flow in the
U.S. is 99% outgoing. Yes, you can pick up Canadian radio stations in
Buffalo and Watertown but everybody in the world watches CNN. Given a
pro-Invictus (the Great American Hero) story from an unbiased [giggle]
domestic news source like CNN, against a pro-Borealis (vocal enemy of
the Great American Hero)story that got picked up from a foreign
[pseudo-socialist] news service like the CBC*, who is the American
populace going to believe? If Borealis were to give a press conference
on the steps of the U.N., there would be a crowd of protestors chanting
"USA! USA! USA!"
Don't forget, many Canadians are still really bitter about some things.
One was the streaking puck special effects when Fox carried NHL games.
Two, the Anaheim Mighty ducks. If you don't understand how this could be
offensive, imagine an pro-baseball team being called the Mississauga Bad
News Bears. Three, many Americans think that the Barenaked Ladies are
the best band from Canada, ever. Everywhere Canadians go in the world,
people think we're Americans.
If I've offended anyone with my comments, all I have to say is this...
don't shoot! Oh I'm just kidding.
Really, I'm just kidding.
BRI
*CBC is the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation. It's a crown corporation
(government run) that provides a national publicly funded radio service.
Sounds like communism, don't it?
] Even if Invictus has enough pull to keep "foreign" news
] programs off of
] American stations (and since I don't have that book, I don't
] know if he
] could), there will be people living near the Canadian border who could
] easily pick up Canadian radio/TV stations, and get versions
] of those news
] stories that wouldn't match up with American accounts. If
] you're using
] Shelley's PRIMUS book, the Seattle base might just be in range for
] accurate reporting of what Borealis is doing. Might make it hard for
] those agents to support a "catch Borealis" raid.
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Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:10:14 -0600 (CST)
From: gilberg@ou.edu
Subject: Oh. That Invictus.
>Invictus was an interesting character from ENEMIES UNBOUND, which I
>*think* was a 3rd Edition supplement, a super-right wing neo-Nazi wacko
>with government ties who hides his depravity behind super-hero togs.
Yes, 3rd edition. I do have that book, it's just been awhile.
I'll look him up.
-Tim Gilberg
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Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 10:03:05 -0600
From: redbf@ldd.net (bobby farris)
Subject: Package Deals
First, I heard that 5th edition is either going to be getting
rid of package Deals or that they are going to change drastically. Does
anyone have the scoop on this?
Besides that my question deals with 4th edition. I am converting
some science fiction races from a popular movie trilogy over to the Hero
system. As I am doing this I am coming up with package deals that give
points. Example:
Power cost: 10
Disadvantages Cost: 27
Equals player cost of -17.
The player actually gets 17 points for playing the race.
Are there any problems with this, and if so what are they? How do I stop
it if there is a problem other than just adding on some "bogus" skills?
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Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:51:48 -0800 (PST)
From: Ell Egyptoid <egyptoid@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: A new player in the arena...
> (much snipped) anti-american, anti-canadian, etc.
This is a first. I only participate in 2 discussion lists on
the net, this Champions of course, and the other is Minor
League Hockey. 99.995% of the time there is NO subject matter
overlap. Users on the hockey list don't give a rat's ass about
super-heroes in the main, and there are few discussions of
hockey topics here, except for the occasional skate based
paranormal.
(how about the Mr.Freeze's goons from the last Batman travesty?) :p
Being a pro-canadian sympathizer living in the USA (favorite team,
Ottawa Senators) I feel your pain. I've always silently chuckled
at the irony of playing only the Star-Spangled Banner before a game
where 80% of the players are Canadian, etc. You shoulda heard the
arguments during the last Winter Olympics...
BTW: going to see the Senators next time they play Nashville,
I'll be the only Ottawa-jersey wearing SOB in the building, u betcha!
==
Laissez le bon pim roulez! Elliott aka Egyptoid
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Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:00:48 -0800 (PST)
From: Anthony Jackson <ajackson@molly.iii.com>
Subject: Re: Package Deals
bobby farris writes:
> First, I heard that 5th edition is either going to be getting
> rid of package Deals or that they are going to change drastically. Does
> anyone have the scoop on this?
Hm. They're kind of pointless in 4th edition (it's a way to gain from 1 to 3
points, basically).
>
> Besides that my question deals with 4th edition. I am converting
> some science fiction races from a popular movie trilogy over to the Hero
> system. As I am doing this I am coming up with package deals that give
> points. Example:
>
> Power cost: 10
> Disadvantages Cost: 27
> Equals player cost of -17.
>
> The player actually gets 17 points for playing the race.
> Are there any problems with this, and if so what are they? How do I stop
> it if there is a problem other than just adding on some "bogus" skills?
Well, remember that normally those 27 points of disadvantages _do_ count
against the maximum # of points in disadvantages a character can have. Aside
from that caveat there's nothing really wrong with a 'package' which has more
disadvantages than advantages. However, it probably shouldn't get a package
bonus (so it might only have 25 pts in disadvantages).
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Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:59:18 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Surbrook <susano@otd.com>
Subject: RE: A new player in the arena...
On Tue, 1 Dec 1998, Brian Wawrow wrote:
> Three, many Americans think that the Barenaked Ladies are
> the best band from Canada, ever.
Nope. Rush is the best band from Canada. Ever.
Michael Surbrook / susano@otd.com
http://www.otd.com/~susano/index.html
"'Cause I'm the god of destruction, that's why!" - Susano Orbatos,Orion
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Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:19:41 -0800
From: "James Jandebeur" <james@javaman.to>
Subject: Re: Supersonic Flight?
There is a Supersonic Flight power in Champions: the New Millenium, and
Creation Workshop did start with Fuzion with the Superpowers plug-in. It's
possible it was a mistake, a holdover from that template. It's also possible
that this is going to be a power in the 5th Edition, and it was put in there
anticipating that. All of this is pure conjecture, though.
JAJ, GP
> I have just purchased the Hero template for Creation Workshop and
>noticed that it allows me to buy a power called "Supersonic flight".
>This power is bought in multiples of the speed of sound. Mach One is 5
>pts. Mach two is 10 pts etc.
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Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 11:54:42 -0800
From: Christopher Taylor <ctaylor@viser.net>
Subject: RE: need loser villains
At 07:07 PM 11/30/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Your talk of Explodo reminds me of Apocalypso who had only one power--a
>25D6 Explosion, no Range, AP. He could only use the power once,
>however, and coasted through life threatening without letting go.
And this reminds me of a guy built with the old Multipower rules... his
entire other power was an explosion killing attack, a really BIG one of 200
points... with no multiform to get back into human form, and a trigger-type
limitation on the power. He was a one shot hero that tagged along with the
group and kept asking what time it was...
you see, under the 3rd edition Multiform rules, if you didnt buy HUMAN as
one of your forms in all the other forms, you COULDNT CHANGE BACK (which
was a really wierd construction). So he turned into a gigantic bomb that
went off instantly... at a predefined time, and never would be back hehehe
was really fun for me as the GM at least
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Soli Gloria Deo Solus Christus Corum Deo
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Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 15:07:36 EST
From: MWStrong@aol.com
Subject: Creation Workshop
Where can I find CW templates, ect for champions, fantasy hero, and other game
systems (shadowrun, rifts, palladium, AD&D, ect) ?
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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 20:04:16 -0400
From: Trevor Barrie <tbarrie@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: need loser villains
On Mon, Nov 30, 1998 at 11:37:56AM -0800, Ell Egyptoid wrote:
> I'm surprised no-one mentioned any of the gems from Tick!
> Cow, Chair-face, Red Menace, etc. ;)
I think you mean the Red Scare... or is the Red Menace someone from
the TV show?
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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 06:09:51 +1000
From: "Lockie" <jonesl@cqnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: A new player in the arena...
- -----Original Message-----
From: Michael Surbrook <susano@otd.com>
Cc: Champeens <champ-l@sysabend.org>
Date: Wednesday, December 02, 1998 5:27 AM
Subject: RE: A new player in the arena...
>On Tue, 1 Dec 1998, Brian Wawrow wrote:
>
>> Three, many Americans think that the Barenaked Ladies are
>> the best band from Canada, ever.
>
>Nope. Rush is the best band from Canada. Ever.
>
they have bands in canada now?
>Michael Surbrook / susano@otd.com
>http://www.otd.com/~susano/index.html
>"'Cause I'm the god of destruction, that's why!" - Susano Orbatos,Orion
>
>
(come on, somebody had to say something like that. . )
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Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 12:38:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Oscar Tibor <oscartibor@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: A new player in the arena...
Michael Surbrook wrote:
>
> On Tue, 1 Dec 1998, Brian Wawrow wrote:
>
> > Three, many Americans think that the Barenaked Ladies are
> > the best band from Canada, ever.
>
> Nope. Rush is the best band from Canada. Ever.
>
> Michael Surbrook / susano@otd.com
> http://www.otd.com/~susano/index.html
> "'Cause I'm the god of destruction, that's why!" - Susano
Orbatos,Orion
>
Mr. Surbrook is entirely correct. Rush is also one of the best bands
ever to grace the music scene.
Oscar The Insurance Man
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Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 15:21:59 -0600 (CST)
From: gilberg@ou.edu
Subject: RE: A new player in the arena...
>> Three, many Americans think that the Barenaked Ladies are
>> the best band from Canada, ever.
>
>Nope. Rush is the best band from Canada. Ever.
Isn't Triumph Canadienne, er, Canadian. (Sorry, French class memories.)
-Tim gilberg
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Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 05:30:53 -0800 (PST)
From: shaw@caprica.com (Wayne Shaw)
Subject: Re: Supersonic Flight?
> I have just purchased the Hero template for Creation Workshop and
>noticed that it allows me to buy a power called "Supersonic flight".
>This power is bought in multiples of the speed of sound. Mach One is 5
>pts. Mach two is 10 pts etc.
> Is this a new power that I missed? I can't find any rules for it. Is
>the a flub up with CW?
I believe that's one of the Fuzion imports they're going to put in Fifth
Edition.
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